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Voici une assez longue interview d'un Colonel retraité de l'USAF qui aurait travaillé dans la fameuse base souterraine de Dulce.
Il a souhaité resté anonyme, mais Anthony F. Sanchez qui dirige l'interview, assure qu'il a vérifié l'identité et la carrière de ce Colonel. Le Colonel aurait égalament subit 2 analyses polygraphes différentes.
L'interview provient de l'ebook UFOHighway de Anthony F.Sanchez.
Comme toujours pour ce genre d'interview, pas grand chose n'est vérifiable, mais même si c'est de la S-F, c'est plutôt plaisant à lire.
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BACKGROUND INFORMATION: This interview was held at a private residence in Placer
County, CA. on January 6th 2010 conducted by researcher Anthony F. Sanchez, with a
retired USAF Colonel to recall the events surrounding a classified 1979 incident which
took place at Dulce, NM. This includes details involving (Colonel X) who was assigned to
Dulce as part of a special Medical Detachment where he learned the history and
circumstances surrounding the 1940 Dulce Discovery event; a harrowing event, as
claimed by the Colonel, filled with many intriguing details, which have never been
revealed to the public before.

MESSAGE FROM ‘ANTHONY F. SANCHEZ’: Because of the enigmatic nature surrounding
the UFO phenomenon and how it typically negatively affects those who come forth with
disclosure, my source, (Colonel X), has requested anonymity.

Therefore, I have obtained the information from (Colonel X) with assurance that his
name would not be divulged under any set of circumstances, or until such time that I am
given permission to do so. His military record, academic credentials and current work as
a professor in Northern California have been vetted and deemed completely legitimate.

On January 8th, 2010 (Colonel X) submitted to two tests by a certified forensic
polygraph examiner. I specifically chose an examiner who knew nothing of the case as to
prevent him from later remembering or identifying my source who requests total
anonymity.

I personally architected all the questions (outside the innocuous), ensuring that we
conceal the secretive nature of the ‘story’ away from the polygraph examiner. Also, the
name of the subject was never given to the examiner, nor was his name asked during
the exam. Again, this allowed us to retain anonymity of (Colonel X). But all questions
were accordant to the Colonel’s understanding in that they reflected his direct
involvement at Dulce. He passed two independent examinations.

The forensic Polygraph Examiner can 'possibly' reveal the identity of (Colonel X); as such,
he was never made aware of the significance of Dulce or the reason for the exam. His
selection (the examiner) was made after meeting specific criteria, ensuring prevention
of leaks from discovery of the story’s premise. Therefore I will not divulge the name of
the examiner used, except for revealing that he is a retired law enforcement officer and
now a private investigator, also from Northern California.

All the accounts mentioned in this interview are real. There are no fictional characters,
and each of these events happened exactly as I have written them based on the
personal testimony provided by (Colonel X), the only known speaking 'first-hand
witness' to events at Dulce.

As a devoted UFO researcher and investigator, I regard the obligation to protect the
name of my source as sacred as is my obligation, to tell the truth. And more than
anyone else, I am still surprised as I am grateful, for this interview held with the Colonel.
I firmly believe that his testimony will be the catalyst to the exposure of what really is
happening beneath the Mesa at Dulce NM, and how it affects all of us.

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Début de l'interview

Colonel, what are you doing today; are you still involved with the Military?

No, after leaving the Air Force I went back to school and earned two post graduate
degrees in Psychology. Today I teach graduate students at a college right here in
Northern California. I’m still happily married and have three children. All three are
grown now and doing quite well on their own, and I am very thankful they live close by.

So you live a pretty normal life, was it always this way?

No it wasn’t, and I guess that’s why we are here to talk.

During the latter half of my military career while I was still a Major with the U.S. Air
Force I can remember how arduously hard I worked towards a promotion to Lieutenant
Colonel. That’s all I wanted ... Anyhow, at about that time everything about my career
was quite normal, proceeding quite well.

I was stationed out of [1] McClellan Air Force Base near Sacramento, CA. assigned to a
Medical Detachment specializing in an area of Psychiatric and Behavioral Studies for
both the USAF (and occasionally the [2] Central Intelligence Agency), typically my work
involved trips to locations on joint Air Force-CIA special projects. I know that might
sound surprising, but it’s accurate.

However, any normalcy in my life ended at about that time; everything I knew would
change for many years to come. It began after I received orders to report to Edwards
AFB, from there I would fly on a special assignment to conduct interviews at a secret
installation in [3] Dulce, NM. That was all I knew about the assignment.

I remember thinking to myself, “Where in the world was Dulce?” For one, I had never
heard of the place. Secondly, and to the best of my knowledge, I was certain that none
of the people I had served with knew of Dulce, either. It had never been mentioned
before and was never on any list of installations that I had reported to.

The orders informed me that I was to adhere to strict protocol under our classified
guidelines, as this was a top secret assignment. This was nothing new for me, my
specialty detachment typically operated at various levels of classification, so our regular
operating protocol was to always treat each new job with a standard
compartmentalized approach.

I had been assigned on many top secret projects before, and in fact, the year before the
Dulce assignment I had been on one particular job having to do with a recovery mission
from a crash site located near [4] Fort Irwin down south. A USAF C-130E Hercules with
six men aboard had nearly collided several times with an object of unknown origin
travelling at a super high rate of speed estimated at 1500-2000 miles per hour.
The survivors said the unidentified object appeared to be tracking them, almost playing
with them, coming closer with each pass. One man reported that a deafening high-pitch
sound penetrated the plane's walls, drowning out the aircrafts own engine noise,
causing them painful headaches. By the final pass from the object, the C-130E
immediately began to stall, ultimately crashing. Two men died.

This is what I did; what my detachment was for ... Our team reported to these types of
incidents, and they happened more often than you would think.

My role was to assist with physical and psychiatric evaluations of any surviving
personnel. Mainly what we would do was conduct an initial, that's medical lingo for a
first interview with the patient, and then we'd investigate and document the
investigation, all aspects. In some cases we'd facilitate triage if necessary and then
conduct exit interviews before submitting our final report.

In any event, we never were sure as to what the entire nature of the Irwin incident was;
however, one man we evaluated had been subjected to something so severe during the
incident that eventually he had to be discharged, medically for mental instability.
And whatever it was they saw out there was definitely traumatic enough to make them
succumb to an arbitrary psychological condition causing both paranoia and terror. It was
pretty severe.

I know you want to talk about Dulce, but it’s important that I mention this event, in
addition to other areas of my work, because it's what prepared me for Dulce, and with a
great level of relevance. You can be certain of it.

Do you mean, relevant to your work?

Exactly, this assignment was something that caught me completely off guard. Something
I don’t think I was prepared for even if the Air Force felt that I was.

I don’t know who recommended me, but I noticed that the two most qualified people in
my area of expertise were pooled together for this assignment, me being one of them.
Usually when on assignment we operated in a team of four to six people per
detachment, but this time it was to be just three of us. Later a fourth would be added,
but not in our field of expertise.

What I immediately can recall was that upon first reaching the entrance to the Dulce
Installation was that it appeared to be eerily similar in design to that of Cheyenne
Mountain Air Force Station [4] (NORAD) where I had been stationed twice before, except
the entrance was half the size.

If you were flying above this place at any distance greater than a few hundred feet, you
would never know it was there. Only by landing directly near the front gate on an
obscure landing pad could you see the entrance. It was very clever how they used the
desert land-cover to conceal the entrance. Only by coordinates could you find it.

Colonel, I hate to do this … but before going into detail about Dulce can you briefly
describe your work at Cheyenne Mountain?

Well … before joining and starting OTS at Lackland, I had already earned my
Bachelor of Science in Psychology. Back then I had often pondered about one day
earning an M.D. in Psychiatry, but once I was fully entrenched, I was too busy; and the
travel involved quelled any ideas for additional higher education. Plus, Basic Officer
Training had been tough enough.

So, at that time an MD was simply out of the question until after my military career was
over, possibly. But wouldn’t you know it, I chose to forgo an M.D. in Psychiatry and
decided that teaching Psychology would be a much more relaxing and rewarding career
path for me after the military. And it is.

Anyhow, during my time with the Air Force I was selected for assignment with a
classified medical detachment, as you know already. How we operated was simple, we
specialized in performing a battery of psychological and behavioral evaluations of
military personnel (from any branch) in two manners of protocol. One scenario would
be to conduct psychological assessments of personnel after ‘Type-X events’, and in the
other scenario, we would be called to evaluate potential candidates prior to
consideration for any ‘special assignment’ that involved a unique set of circumstances,
through both psychological and behavioral assessment.

A Type-X event or incident involves a death or accident caused by unknown
phenomena. These events are classified, usually falling under some umbrella of secrecy;
the very reason why my unit was created.

Was it normal for your detachment to work at places like Cheyenne?

Oh yes, at Cheyenne there was regular evaluation required for any potential long-term
personnel slated for work at the installation. This was to help identify and combat the
affects of working in various levels of prolonged confinement, especially within a deeply
embedded or subterranean environment.

As you probably know, central operations at Cheyenne are housed at approximately 600
meters within the mountain and there are various levels of ranging depths to other key
operating areas below the mountain’s base.

It was quite common to encounter new people who had reservations over working
these assignments, but to the military … if these people were selected at the ‘top’ of
their grade and ‘qualified’ with a specific specialization meeting certain requirements …
well then, they had to be evaluated, and in rare cases (convinced) to perform their job.
This could be done either through psychiatric sessions, or by medicating, or both.

Very interesting, are you saying that many people at NORAD are medicated?

Oh no ... not at all. With about 1500 personnel operating the base at any one time, you
maybe had 3-5 people with simple diagnoses such as low-level claustrophobic anxiety,
the most common in these environments. But if we ever suspected that someone
possessed a high-level or an acute claustrophobic or taphephobic anxiety … there was
no way in ‘hell’ they would be permitted to operate there.

Taphephobic?

‘Taphephobic’ is the fear of being buried alive. Anyhow, these situations would require
too much physician interaction and the potential for bad effects from medicating, which
would not be conducive to facilitating a successful work environment, for anyone.
No, anyone found to be suffering from any acute psychological condition as a result of
the environment, was simply re-assigned. The work was the same every where I went
on these assignments … except for at the Dulce installation.

How was Dulce different?

At first it was because of circumstance. My assignment was always the same: you
conduct an investigation, perform psychological analyses of all the personnel involved,
and then submit a final report to the commanding officer, but I had never had been
asked to conduct a full investigation, in charge. Such an important task was usually
reserved for assignment to a Lieutenant Colonel, someone generally at a director of
operations level. At the time I was just a Major.

~

Aside from the one incident I mentioned before, near Fort Irwin, I had never had the
chance to lead a medical detachment, but that event was by chance because our
commanding officer was sick.

Incidentally, I should note that after submitting my final report for the Dulce incident to
my commanding officer, I was promoted to the rank of Lieutenant Colonel. Being and
O-5 meant a higher pay grade and a path to one day possibly being a General, but I later
learned that my path to happiness would be outside the Air Force, teaching. It would
have been a good decision either way.

But, Dulce was different than anything I had ever been exposed to. I simply cannot sum
it up in one sentence.

Can you tell me about the assignment and when it arrived on your lap, so to speak?
Yes. It was late November of 1979 when they came in. I was at McClellan awaiting my
next set of orders. You see, with over 100 bases in the U.S. and Guam, including the
Academy in Colorado … there was never a shortage of work for my detachment. There
was always something coming in.

Colonel, are the 100 bases you are referring to USAF bases?

Yes, but I should also note that because of my unit’s joint operations with the Central
Intelligence Agency, detachments would also responded to incidents for other branches
of the military as well. Initially, when our unit was created, our mandate was to work
with the [7] FBI office out of Sacramento, but for reasons of which I was not privy to, the
CIA would eventually become the only organization that we jointly investigated Type-X
events with.

Any how, when these particular orders came in they arrived in the same usual manner;
however, these documents were marked with an official stamp for “Top Secret/SCI -
USAF, DoE Restricted Content”. There was also an embossed DoE insignia; a first time
for me, as I had never been involved with any operation outside the joint USAF-CIA
periphery for Type-X incidents.

This was my first assignment involving something that came in from the Department of
Energy and I wasn’t sure why. The [8] DoE (Department of Energy) was a Cabinet-level
department just formed a couple of years before in 1977. Back then, I wasn’t sure as to
why the DoE was even created. This is because the [9]AEC (Atomic Energy Commission)
had been replaced by the [10] NRC (Nuclear Regulatory Commission), so I figured they
managed everything nuclear. But much later I would learn the necessity for each group
and how they were indeed very different from one another. The NRC oversaw the
regulation of the nuclear power industry, and the DoE managed nuclear weapons, naval
reactors, and nuclear energy development programs. It made sense to separate those
areas.

Anyhow, back to the report. The report contained Sensitive Compartmented
Information. I remember thinking how I had never received this particular type of writeup
on any of the orders I’d ever received. Everything about this packet was way more
official than usual, and I just felt that something was going to be quite different about it.
I was told to report immediately to [11] Edwards AFB and to meet with another officer
who was also a part of this new formed detachment. As I was reading the orders, a
phone call came in from Material Command saying that an HC-130 Hercules aircraft was
ready for departure as soon as I gave the word. Someone it seems was making things
happen, and ensuring no obstacles were in place. So I grabbed the orders, my gear and
proceeded to the tarmac. It took less than an hour of flying to reach Edwards.

When we arrived I saw several of my usual colleagues, but just one of them had
received the same orders as me. I was already somewhat familiar with him, and like me
he was also a Major, in the same unit. We had been on a couple Type-X detachments
before, but we never really met outside the field. Upon confirming our orders and
exchanging a handshake, we did not discuss anything (as instructed in the packet) and
we waited for our first briefing with a Brigadier General identified in the report. He
would be assigned as our direct supervisory commander. Strange as we usually had a
lieutenant colonel heading up our forays.

At first, it would just be the three of us. Later, once at the facility, a Navy Lieutenant
Commander would also join us. But for now it was the Brigadier General who we were
curious about. Neither I nor the other Major had ever met the Brigadier General before,
but we suspected he was from right there at Edwards. In any event it was not our job to
ask. Incidentally, after this assignment I never saw either of them again; including the
Navy Lieutenant Commander.

Can you say who your colleagues were?

No. I simply cannot. The sensitivity of this information can potentially cause harm to
those who were involved. And I would hate to re-involve those men or put their
families in harms way. But what I can tell you are ranks, dates, locations, etc. and I can
give you great detail about everything you need to know, but I will not say anything that
would directly identify specific individuals.

As it is, I am concerned over sharing this information with you today. But I feel that the
information must to be told to someone, else it will never make it out publicly; not ever.
I know that now.

Interesting … Colonel if I may ask, without naming anyone are they still alive?

Yes. I’m sad to say that the Brigadier General has already passed on, and the Major is
now in a home. The Navy Lieutenant Commander is doing fine in retirement in Boca
Raton, Florida. So as you can see, there is nothing preventing me from talking with you
here today, and there is safety through anonymity. So long as I remain anonymous, I
feel okay with this. Incidentally, my role in the military after the Dulce event took on a
much more interesting path than any of theirs. Paths that can afford me both the
protection and solitude I need to do what I am doing with you right now.

Got it, please continue.

Something had happened at this Dulce Installation. And I say it in that manner because I
had never heard of Dulce before. I knew of [12] Kirtland AFB by Albuquerque and [13]
Holloman near Alamogordo, but I had never of, and I repeat, never had heard of the
Dulce New Mexico Installation. I’d been to the desert high-terrain of northern New
Mexico many times before with family, but never on business. This was going to be a
first.

When I received the orders I assumed it was a base, an air field or some common type
of military installation, but that particular bit of info was never indicated. During our
briefing with the Brigadier General at Edwards we were told of a secret two-part
installation which existed near the town of Dulce NM.

It said we were reporting to a subterranean facility similar to Cheyenne but with a
completely different dynamic in its architectural design by incorporating natural
elements of the surrounding environment. We were also told that the military
command structure located at the installation was somewhat unorthodox however
highly functional. Later what I found most surprising was that this place was devoted to
both pure scientific and engineering R&D (research and development). I’ll never forget
when I first viewed the sign which read, “Welcome to the [14] Rio Arriba Scientific &
Technological Underground Auxiliary”.

Really, is that the official name of Dulce?

That’s right. The public does not know this, but the Dulce facility’s official U.S.
Government designation is: “Rio Arriba Scientific & Technological Underground
Auxiliary”. I do not think it has ever been made public before now. In fact, I’ve never
seen it on the internet, ever. But that is the official government designation. However,
more often than not, those who work there simply call the facility either “Rio Arriba” or
“Dulce Facility”.

Here is another thing as well; there are places where the designation can be found by
anyone. If you perform a search of official military documentation, the location will
from time to time appear as ‘RIO ARRIBA CO’ or ‘RIO-AUX’. Another unknown fact is
that initially Dulce was made up of two facilities. A third facility came about much later,
but let me tell you about the first two. D-1 is the largest and main facility situated
directly beneath the Archuleta Mesa. [15] D-2 is a smaller two level underground facility
situated off the Archuleta plateau, located several miles eastward. D-2 is a security
auxiliary.

D-1 is the main R&D facility where all the civilian employee scientist and engineers
report to work. At D-2 it’s much quieter, and there are helicopter pads located above
ground, obscured but sometimes visible near the entrance of that particular location.
These helicopter landing pads are mechanical hydraulic lift systems which can quickly
drop down to level 1. And beneath the landing pads, on level 1, there is a small hanger
used for the Dulce Facility’s helicopters. And from time to time, when necessary they
can also park High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicles (HMMWV), Humvee’s.

Colonel, I’m sorry but how does a Humvee get around up there; wouldn’t the terrain
prevent it from getting around?

First of all it doesn’t. The Humvee’s used by the facility’s personnel occurs beneath the
surface, underground on a platform which adjoins the [16] Maglev shuttle tracks from D-1
to D-2. The terrain above D-2 is not for vehicles. The Humvees could manage but they
don’t venture up above. These are only for operation within the facilities.
What I saw on multiple occasions was delivery of supplies and equipment by helicopter
to D-2, on an adjoining pad a Humvee would be waiting for these items. The Humvee
would then be lowered down to level 1 where they would travel to D-1 for delivery of
said items. This is one of the more common delivery methods I personally witnessed.
But lots of inbound items arrived via shuttle to D-1 from Los Alamos and other
connectors as well.

I was in 1982 there when they swapped out two older are M998 Cargo/Troop Carriers
for new models, and those did arrive from Lumberton up County Road 357, towards the
Colorado border, where they were then driven to the D-2 auxiliary. Once they arrived
they were then lowered down to level one. But that’s about all those vehicles will ever
see of the surface unless in extreme cases of emergency. You have to understand that
the Maglev shuttle between D-1 and D-2 also includes an extended flatbed carrier in
addition to its two passenger cars. If the platform is ever obstructed the Humvees can
ride the flatbed over to D-1.

D-1 on the other hand can heavy see inbound and outbound traffic from its entrance
from ground vehicles if it were required. But that rarely, if ever occurs. Most all
inbound visitation comes from the Shuttles.

Colonel, you’ve been dropping hints to me that you were there at Dulce for some
time, am I accurate?

Yes. We’ll get into that.

Also, I hate to sound skeptical about this. But how are these “hidden” helicopter pads
able to remain unseen, because my suspicion is that this would be extremely difficult
to pull off?

Have you been to the area off the Eastern Slope of the Mesa? There really isn’t much
going on between the slope and County Road 357. All that you are going to find out
there are very few scattered cabins and remote homes, some of which are not even
inhabited year round. So yes, the landing pad area remains relatively unvisited due to
its remoteness. And you have to remember that they are expertly disguised by large
industrial canvass pull-away tarps that cleverly mimic the area’s ground cover when fully
stretched. Not a scientific approach, but very successful at concealing the pads.

Despite there being a massive warehouse/hanger facility situated within D-1, mostly
what goes on at D-2 is housing for the helicopters. The D-2 security auxiliary represents
a better access point and it’s where the physical maintenance happens so it makes
perfect logistical sense. Another important reason for this is because from time to time
there are two very large special craft, discs, housed at the D-1 hanger bays which are
not ours.

Discs?

Yes, and not ours … technically. But I’ll elaborate more on the craft later. Besides, I
think you’ll find this next bit of information just as interesting.

Which is what?

That despite the remoteness and hidden nature of D-2, finding the D-2 facility entrance
occurs quite often by regular people. There is a visible unimproved dirt road; well, it’s
more of a trail and it is very bumpy, leading up to the spot. This location is found more
often than not by regular people who visit the area. Many Jicarilla People have found it,
and know damn well what it’s there for. But through mutual understanding with [17]
DSD-3, they never talk about it openly.

To keep people from guessing about what it is exactly, there is a small above ground
shack, operational with numerous types of ground sensors, cameras and sometimes one
or two soldiers in plain clothes. The shack bares hardly any signage to avoid indicating
ownership or purpose, etc. It is a very quite place, and is almost always locked up. It is
just boring enough in appearance to keep people unaware to what it really is, and more
importantly, it’s to keep people away from it. So when you hear people telling stories of
finding the entrance to Dulce, this is usually what they are referring to. And they are
correct; it is (one) of the entrances to Dulce.

Alternatively, finding D-1 is not easy. The D-1 main entrance is up against a wall or slope
of columnar basalt. It is a sophisticated entrance similar to Cheyenne in appearance,
but it is behind two very large pull-away doors covered with a realistic and undetectable
rock face façade to conceal its location. This is where I was taken, and I’ll tell you right
now that if you were not aware of these doors existence, you would never find them.
There is an obscured unimproved dirt road which hugs a hidden path that leads to the
entrance; people hike and even drive past on regular occasion. This is what was built in
1947-49 when road construction had begun to facilitate traffic for a “Lumbar Company”.
This would be by creating a road that would facilitate transport of lumber away from the
area. This is all public record; however, not one tree was ever cut down or taken from
the area. The US Army Core of Engineers from Muroc used the roads to foster the
construction of the facility. And when they completed the job, the roads were
destroyed. Now only one unimproved road to the entrance exists, and it too is cleverly
hidden if not impassible.

Another thing is this… The Dulce facilities all operate within the periphery of [18] LANL.

LANL?

Los Alamos National Laboratories; there are direct routes to Technical Areas throughout
Los Alamos from the Dulce Facilities. In fact the official designation for D-1 is TA-D1 and
the same goes for D-2 and [19] D-3. Insiders just shorten it, dropping the TA, for
whatever reason. The one thing I want to share with you that is critical for you to
understand is that [20] LANL is involved with everything. There are high level individuals
who have direct access to DSD-3 and [21] Installation Command at the executive level.
These people work with DSD-3 to determine who gets chosen to work at the main Dulce
Facility, and at D-3.

What about D-2?

No. There is no one at D-2 except for DSD-3 pilots and security personnel.

Is it possible to drive out to D-2?

It’s possible, but you really wouldn’t want to drive because the terrain is nearly
impossible to traverse without the right type of vehicle. You can make your way up
County Road 357 to the area parallel to D-2 but once you leave the road for the shack,
it’s better to go by foot.

Well that’s definitely new information. I’ve head the ‘Lumbar Company’ reference
before, but never in that context. And can you provide coordinates to D-2?
Anthony, technically I could, but I would be risking my life, even under the super level of
anonymity which I employ today; you have to understand that revealing as much as I am
to you is going to immediately trigger protocols within DSD-3 for finding me. But they
won’t. I am beyond their reach; I have assured that long ago.

Can you go into details about this?

No. Just think about how our mutual friend got you and me together. You know his
past, which companies he’s worked for and what he developed over the last decade. He
belongs to the same channel of people that I am a party to. We created our circle and
have tightly guarded our secrets to protect us. And let’s just say that we have many
owed favors and unlimited resources to ensure that they are paid when asked for.
Once we part, that’s it. You won’t see me again. I’ll transfer within my employer to
another facility elsewhere within the country and my family has already made plans to
follow. And that is all I am going to elaborate on. They’ll never find me.
Understood… Can you tell me about people finding D-2? You were hinting to that
earlier.

D-2, people do find it. Every year people mange to find the spot, you just have to look
hard for it. And I’m telling you that it is none of the cabins or homes in the low lying
area off the Eastern Slope. The D-2 shack is a small military made utility-type structure.
That’s what you are looking for. And if you are guessing as to why would it even be
there, the reason is because it houses a secondary set of operating controls for the
lading pad and mechanical hydraulic lift systems; and if for no other reason at all, that is
why it is there. I have been inside of it numerous times.

Where does the shack or even the D-2 facility get its power from? Where you are
describing is a remote area. And various internet sources say its either Navajo Dam or
El Vado Dam, are these correct?

No. That’s wrong.

Anthony, this is what I look for on the internet. I look for the stories created by those
who don’t know what they are talking about. It’s these little details that let me know
right off the bat when someone is making claims of certain things (about Dulce) which
they obviously don’t know at all.

Both D-1 and D-2 facilities use factory-sealed ‘200 kW’ miniature nuclear reactors, called
Micro-Reactors; these are designed and created by Los Alamos National Laboratories.
They’ve been in use for over 30 years now. What’s amazing is that this technology is
only now making its way to the commercial domain. The Dulce Micro-Reactors are only
a few meters in diameter, and only require refueling once every 10 years.

They are the ideal choice for the creation of Deep Underground Facilities. [22] Pine-Gap
uses them, so does [23] “Northrop Corporation-Pico Rivera” as well as [24] Mount
Weather, [25] PARI and quite a number of the areas supporting the LANL underground
Technical Areas in and around the township.

Colonel, I’m sorry; PARI, Mount Weather … what are these?

These are other “Deep Underground Facilities”. Some are scientific, military, and
medical, even emergency government auxiliaries. They are everywhere, and not just in
the United States. Pine Gap is in Australia, and we’ve jointly constructed several in
Canada. The Russians, including a host of other European countries have them as well.
In Russia there’s [25] “Yamantau Mountain” which is similar to Cheyenne but larger. I’d
say by the intelligence I receive that it’s very antiquated but filled with dangerous levels
of toxic materials and loosely monitored nuclear equipment. That’s a place we worry
about often.

The Chinese too have constructed what is probably the mother of all underground bases
in the Chengdu District which has a rail system that leads all the way to the southern
coastal waters off China. And theirs is exactly that. It is a military base. Unlike Dulce
which is scientific used for research and development, not to mention reverse
engineering, the [26] Chengdu Underground Complex is used for military use only. Our
intelligence on Chengdu is very limited. That is another facility and government who we
need to pay real attention too. When the shit hits the fan it will be China and elements
of Russia; not the Middle East like you are being led to believe.

The Chinese are developing stealth capabilities at a devastatingly fast rate. And if we
don’t pay attention they are going to own our Military in the same way they already
own our economy. They have already shown that their Song Class submarine possesses
stealth capabilities further than we had anticipated; and they even surprised our best
naval fleet during one of our own military exercises. Later you’ll understand why Dulce
is so important to our government.

And matters like these, as with the Chinese, are prime example as to why we’ve
expanded beyond the Dulce/LANL periphery to newer areas within the country that
even I only know very little of. The work at Dulce is important and is in the interest of all
of our asses, but some aspects are just wrong. And those I cannot condone any longer.

Colonel when you mentioned Dulce’s power, what did you mean by factory-sealed in
reference to the reactors; and are they safe?

Factory-sealed means they are produced and shipped ready to use, with very little if any
modification sans standard maintenance protocol to abide by. And they are completely
safe; they are based off a 50-year-old design specification but are retrofitted during
annual maintenance checks with highly advanced safety features, when necessary or
asked to by Los Alamos. And quite frankly, there is no danger of a small scale [28]
Chernobyl ever occurring because the reactor design has no moving parts and the units
are stored deep in buried concrete housings.

What makes these the preferred source of power for the underground facilities is that
they only measure six meters by two meters which means they take up a very small
footprint, and they were designed to fuel a small town or super large facility, like D-1,
for up to 50 years at a minimum. So regarding the false assertion that it’s a Dam that
powers the facilities, that is not true.

For water, [29] El Vado Dam does however provide the primary source to both D-1 and D-
2 but there was neither water nor power that I can recall ever being provided to the
facilities from the [30] Navajo Dam. So that assumption, which I too have read on the
internet, is wrong. One possibility though, although D-3 is directly west of El Vado, is
after the completion of D-3 in Leandro Canyon is that Navajo Dam would be used for the
main water source due to its southern location. That I don’t know, but that’s always
been my assumption bout D-3, because Leandro Tank is nothing more than an
impoundment area used to expel toxic waste.

I have never heard of Leandro Tank; is it managed by BLM?

No, the BLM might look after the adjoining [31] Project Gas Buggy Area; there are a
couple of federal markers there to denote its historical past. But this area most likely
gets overlooked by any BLM interests because Leandro Tank is not a reservoir; it’s too
small and nothing of the sort. At its maximum it’s only 10m by 10m. It’s just an
impoundment area used as a cattle tank. And nowadays there are no cattle in that area.
They’ve moved on; got smart … wanted to stop dying.

But there is another larger tank about half a kilometer away, just downstream of the
Gas Buggy site’s boundary. And for practical purposes this is all that D-3 would need; a
drainage system leading into a water source not for humans, used to expel toxic waste.
And if you are wondering why they would choose there, it’s because it’s in a remote
area that’s already contaminated with radiation.

But the strongest clue for me is that both times I have visited Leandro Canyon, since my
retirement, I have seen lots of dead Cattle there. And I am certain their deaths were not
from natural causes. From what I witnessed, there was no reason for so many young
healthy cattle to be dead; especially when surrounded by heavy vegetation and plenty
of water. So this tells me that the water has to be contaminated from a D-3 runoff. In
any event, from what I can tell, there have been no cattle in the area for years now.
An already contaminated area, plus not being a human water source usually equates to
little or no involvement from [32] Bureau of Land Management or [33] Department of
Game and Fish interests. It’s perfect.

Do you have information on the third facility; for instance when it was completed,
who uses it?

Talks of a D-3 facility had been spoken about well before I ever got there. I know from
others that as far back as the mid 1960s that there were always plans to expand. And
Gas Buggy was a catalyst to much of this talk because it just happened to coincide
exactly where they had been proposing a new location, to the southwest of Dulce.
I know it was completed in 1991. It was supposed be built during two phases between
1978 and 1980, but the tensions leading up to the 1979 event stopped all development
at that time, and it caused a considerable delay. I was retiring in 1983 so what I know
about the Dulce Facility, events occurring afterwards, are based on the information I got
from my intelligence channel.

In 1980 Leandro Canyon was being visited by an expansion team from D-1 to review the
terrain for possible development. I know this because I was personally escorting many
of them out there by helicopter. Again, with the completion of Leandro Tank in 1980,
this opened up many possibilities for the proposed new area to house two new jointscientific
divisions; ones which required more operating space, and unchecked water drainage systems.
I just knew they would build there; that they would select it because of its contaminated nature. And they did.

Can you tell me about Gas Buggy?

Project Gas Buggy was a planned underground nuclear detonation in 1967 under the
umbrella of the Ploughshares program. ‘Project Ploughshares’ represented two planned
underground nuclear explosions to stimulate gas production of known gas reserves
which were identified but difficult to exploit for various reasons.
They believed that the explosions would break up the deep rock formations, softening
the geology release much of that gas that was entrapped. There was Project Rawlson
and Project Gas Buggy as part of ‘Project Ploughshares’. Rawlson was another
detonation.

Did they have to blast the area to expand?

No... not at all, but the analysts at the time informed the engineering core that the
advanced insulating materials developed at Los Alamos would allow them to go right
through that area should they need to via Maglev without any mal-affects from
irradiation. They also said that the softened geology would make work easier for the
proposed new facilities which could be quickly constructed and insulated.

I really don’t want to get into much more about Gas buggy, but what I do know is that
the AEC was really trying to leverage natural gas pockets for exploitation; however, the
way they went about exploration was not without its many problems. By-products did
provide some levels of facilitation towards the creation of new facilities, so all of it was
justified. The problem is that the 1979 event stopped everything.

What saved the D-3 installation plans was that despite the 1979 event, Leandro Canyon
was far away from the two main facilities, way out to the southwest of Dulce. So they
continued on and built the tank in 1980. But building the Maglev from Dulce out to
Leandro Canyon was completely off the table at that time. This is because using the
tunnel boring machines to construct the intricate levels of subterranean passageways
and openings for the facilities required that they begin from the Dulce Facility.
So it took some time before they restarted construction. Later on, from my intelligence
pool, I was told that by 1991 they finally managed to complete D-3. And although I have
never seen any of it (inside), I can tell you now that there is an opening, an emergency
shaft constructed as part of the ventilation system, located near the Leandro Tank area.
I’ve seen it, recognized the design and know that it’s part of the facility. That’s all I
needed to see to confirm my intel.

Colonel, you keep mentioning 1979, sounds like a lot was going back then; can we go
back to your retelling about the initial orders you received for Dulce?

Yes. Our ad-hoc unit was called in because a confrontation had occurred just 48 hours
earlier at the Dulce Facility between joint Special Forces units and the inhabitants of the
lower installation levels. Our job was to assess the survivors, and we were also to
administer a neurobiological agent to everyone during our interview process. The
orders listed a very simple protocol to follow:
1. Conduct an initial
2. Administer the agent
3. Observe changes
4. Conduct exit interview
5. Document all findings

We were to follow these steps for every single person involved. But right away,
medicating to me was an immediate red flag. Not because this was not the norm;
rather, because I was not an M.D. nor was my colleague or the Brigadier General for
that matter.

So with my colleague present … I simply made a quick and quite inquiry to the Brigadier
General. Now mind you this was not a protest, just a simple inquiry. I asked him, “Were
we to administer the neurobiological agent ourselves, without the presence of a Doctor,
and would a Doctor present?” My assumption was that a Psychiatrist from my unit
would be along for this, but that was not the case.

He told us both, “Majors … do as you are god damned told or expect reassignments of
the worst kind imaginable for the remainder of your careers, understand?” he
continued, “Or if you prefer, expect a dishonorable discharge effective immediately,
depending on how I feel about the look on your faces. Do I make myself clear?”
I’ll be damned if my whole military career hadn’t raced through my mind at that
moment. I remember looking at my fellow Major and just through our eye contact we
understood one another, agreeing to conform and to shut up; to avoid ruining our
careers.

“Gentlemen, make your decisions now.” He said. The Major and I gave our ‘yes sirs’ and
that was the end of it. “Very good”, the Brigadier General responded.

After that we never made any inquiries outside of normal operating procedures, and we
just did what the Brigadier General expected from us. But I tell you, I was amazed at
how quickly he could revert back to the friendly demeanor we witnessed upon meeting,
from his near-demonic state during that moment.

After a few minutes had passed he looked at us both with seriousness and an almost
slight tinge of concern. In a very congenial manner he told us both, “Majors, I do not
know what the hell is going on here any more than you do. But I do know that the three
of us were chosen because of our abilities.”

He continued, “I was told that under the most daunting circumstances that you two
men would be the least likely to breakdown or fail to perform your jobs. That is why
you were chosen. At this moment we are headed into a situation of which some parts I
am having difficulty comprehending. But, in any event, I am going to do my god
damned job and I expect the same from you. Once we are on that plane I will be sharing
whatever it is I have inside this large envelope with you, and when I do … I expect you to
deal with it; whatever it may be. Do you understand?”

We both nodded and responded with our ‘yes sirs’; and it was right then where we
began to really wonder what we were involved with.

Did you or the other Major have any idea what was coming?

No, not at all… If you had told me half the things we would read in those briefing
documents I would have said you were insane. There was so much information, so
much to absorb before landing. But they wanted us to view as much as possible.

[-Vod-]

Can you explain what it was you saw in the briefing documents?

The Brigadier General’s envelope contained three complete sets of briefing documents,
enough paper in each set to fill a binder. There were lots of documents to review, one
document described the incident that had occurred just two days earlier, but it was very
sparse lacking lots of data, with very little detail to offer as the event was still literally
unfolding over at Dulce.

Other documents described the layout of the installation, showing levels accessible to
installation personnel, and another gave a detailed operational background of the
facility’s current use; detailing exactly how it functioned, etc. But much to my surprise
one document was on the history of the facility, which I found a bit odd. Why would I
need to understand the history of this place?

Also, there were documents containing data about inhabitants of the installation, this
immediately caught my attention. Initially when I read the report on the inhabitants, I
thought I was reading about Native American people, but there was something about
the description of them that wasn’t quite right. Upon reading further, it began to take
some real strange turns with entries I simply couldn’t easily wrap my head around.
After a few moments spent on this one document (in particular) I realized that
something was completely amiss here, and I had to stop reading it all together, for a
moment, to gather my composure. It’s just that my mind was having trouble accepting
what I was reading. But I was directed to read as much of the material as I could. So I
did.

As the plane made its way to New Mexico, the other Major and I would periodically stop
reading and look at one another, as if to see as if we each had the same documentation
… we did. In one instance even the Brigadier General himself looked up to make eye
contact with us. But boy you better believe he was all business; there was no fear in his
eyes, and not so much as an inkling of concern. I guess that’s why he was chosen as the
commanding officer. Someone must have known he’d not react, and that he would
simply do his job as ordered. To some extent I believe that’s why we were all chosen.
I thought the references to symbols and inscriptions were referring to some
archeological Native American findings; however, it became quite evident that the
writings or inscriptions were pertaining to linguistics of ‘non-human’ origin, and that I
was reading a report describing a species, not a tribe.

While continuing to read the documents, the Brigadier General told us that once inside
the installation, it was also our job to rendezvous with a U.S. Navy Lieutenant
Commander who would be awaiting our arrival. All I knew, initially, was that he was
also being flown in to Dulce, for the same reason as us, but it was unclear what his role
was. The Brigadier General stated that he would be reporting to me and the other
Major, and that he would mirror us during our work. I eventually learned that he would
be photographing and filming everything we did. When he arrived, he was flustered
from carrying so much gear and filming equipment, but he was a serious guy.

I thought it was strange that a Navy Officer was involved but I would soon learn, after
my arrival, that the Dulce installation was operating under Joint-Oversight from the
USAF, U.S. Navy and U.S. Army. This group was known as ‘Installation Command’.
Installation Command is the Military Administration and proxy organization operating
RIO-AUX oversight of all scientific and technological research projects; they are also
responsible for the Black Budget and Federal contract administration. Amazingly, the
RIO-AUX installation represents a microcosm similar to the pentagon in that there are
numerous representatives from each special units of each branch:
• [34] ‘China Lake Naval Weapons Center’; represented via proxy under the “Deputy
for Navy” at the nearby [35] White Sands Missile Range (WSMR).
• [36] ‘Air Force Research Laboratory’ / Edwards AFB; represented via proxy under
the “Deputy for Air Force” at WSMR.
• [37] ‘Army Research Laboratory’ / Computational and Information Sciences
Directorate (CISD); represented via proxy under the “Garrison Commander” from
WSMR.

All three groups work under the umbrella of the Department of Defense (DoD).
I learned all of this through the report. We simply had to understand how that facility
operated before we could be allowed to perform any work there. The understanding is
that they would not be tolerant of ignorance from any one involved. This is why we
were privy to a full disclosure.

And the installation, albeit run by the military, is not a military base. It is a pure
scientific research and development facility. I would come to learn that that there are
two major Federal contracting bodies there at Dulce, the [40]
“RAND Corporation” who are conducting Bio-Genetics, Geology, Chemistry, Experimental
Medicine efforts. And the other is “Bechtel Corporation” who manages Infrastructure - Transport,
Excavation and Tunnel Construction projects.

Are there other contractors besides these two?

Only a few… Applied Molecular Genetics, URS Corp, Raytheon, IBM and that
is it. At least up to 1983 when I was there. Those groups come in as subcontractors
using their GSA [46] (General Service Administration) schedules, it was their ticket in.
Their GSA is sort of an awarded right to do business with any federal entities and the US
military. Those companies I mentioned all work under Bechtel or RAND who are the
Prime contractors at Dulce. And these two have pre-structured guaranteed no-bid
contracts with Rio Arriba … Dulce.

How do they get paid?

The money trails go invisible once they are inside. And personally I have never
understood the Black Budget aspect of Dulce that well. But there definitely is an
influx of money so it is Installation Command’s senior controllers’ job to manage it. The
Financial Office has a very tight grip on that area. But as you know, without money
there is no show. So of course money is critical to the success of the facility, including
its secrecy. If you like, we could talk more about this aspect later. But for now I’d like to
focus on my arrival.

Understood; can please continue telling about when you travelled to Dulce for that
first time?

Yes. On our way there, we had been told to read everything, twice. They wanted us to
be absolutely sure of how to handle the situation, and the inhabitants. The Brigadier
General said that some of the things we would hear from survivors were going to seem
fantastical at first, but that everything was factually verifiable, and that reading the
documents carefully would clarify any questions we had.

As I read more I reviewed documents on the background of the inhabitants, but I was
told to also focus on the facility layout as it was real easy to get lost once inside without
a guide. And we were told to study the illustrations and descriptions of the weapons
technology and facility equipment, but not ours; rather, the ones used and created by
the inhabitants.

Strangely, we were told to review the documents on the Alien’s physiological makeup as
well. This is where the other Major came into play; he was a comparative physiology
specialist; having already studied a multitude of life forms. All this was in addition to his
also possessing a psychology background. So together we would assist one another and
document each others finds.

We were told that we would have a 48 hour window of clearance at the Installation
starting the second we arrived, and that upon conclusion of those 48 hours we would be
escorted out. So it was imperative that we conduct a workable timeframe using
accelerated protocols, condensing the ones we were already familiar with. We were
also told that once there, we were stuck there even in the event that we finished our
work early.

The Brigadier General said all personnel (except the security division) were going to be
evacuated within the final hour of our 48. He said the installation would be sealed up until
experts could later perform analysis of the event and our findings as to determine
(how best) to proceed back into the installation “without incident”.

The environment was crazy when we arrived; we had been indoctrinated through a few
short but intense meetings with the security division and had been directed to areas we
were supposed to have familiarized our selves with during the flight. Thankfully we did.
There was a large group of people being attended to; some medically but mostly with
blankets and coffee, some food.

In addition we had also seen a room with body bags, lots of them. It was a make shift
morgue with all the tags neatly stacked in a section of this room, on the upper facility,
that was kept apart from the people who were waiting for processing. Before we left
we had to account for all the missing people, so we worked in the room for a spell,
ensuring that all the people there were entered into our list. This helped identify who
was still missing, as all the living people had been processed.

Anyhow, when we began setting up our station, the people knew that they would need
to be interviewed before being let go via the Maglev shuttle back to the Los Alamos
National Laboratory access point. These were just regular people, scientists, chemists,
engineers, and technical people of all manners who worked there.

This fact amazed me. “How do they do it?” I remember asking myself. I kept thinking,
how do these people work here and say nothing? I later learned that average federal
contractor for both subs and primes were earning a six figure salary. And this is in the
1970’s, so consider that, plus the fact that they each have been vetted thoroughly … and
probably threatened as well.

Colonel, where is the access point?

There are several of them. The main one being exactly where you would expect a large
group of people to assemble daily and where you would need the infrastructure to
employ human resources management activities; and it’s the perfect cover too,
underneath [48]

Technical Area 3 (LANL TA-3) is the primary access point. Take a look at
the number of parking areas there and ask yourself, why they hell do they need so much
parking? The Otowi Building is not that big, but many people congregate in the vicinity
daily. And where are so many of them going? To Dulce that’s where; and there are
other LANL areas too. TA-41, TA-49, and the airport TA-73 to mention the most high
profile ones.

I’m going to segue a bit… But how does a group of individuals who worked at Dulce
not divulge anything about the secret nature of the installation? It seems to me that
trying to conceal a place where a lot of people worked at would be very difficult,
correct?

One thing you have to understand that at this level of operation, handling of sensitive
information in addition to conducting strict personnel management is done through
teams of dedicated specialized people whose work is to ensure that only the right type
of person is ever selected, vetted and processed through ‘conditioning’, a subset of
processes or techniques which were adopted from a program called MKULTRA.

MKULTRA has a dark past, but the methods evolved and extracted, for purposes of
conditioning, work. So they use them. They meaning the CIA and shadow groups like
DSD-3.

For the civilian contractor population, their clearance involves a high level vetting
process called ‘canvassing’ resulting in a Civilian Personnel Resource Pool. These people
receive various levels of top secret clearances specific to their roles or work
designations, and they also receive high salaries. Also, you have to keep in mind that
workers who are well compensated are taught to shut their mouths and forget about
anything “other than their work” and collecting their check.

Imagine a research scientist who normally would make $45K a year who is instead
making $250K per year with all the benefits of a major corporate entity, which includes
medical, bonuses, vacations, training, further education, travel, per diems, etc. Do you
think anyone is going to risk losing that? But most of all, consider that these civilian
federal contract workers have been known to disappear when rules are broken or any
semblances of rumors of dissention reach the security division. And they, the workers,
know damned well that the stories of missing people are not rumors, but actual cases
involving former friends and in some cases loved ones.

To be silenced (permanently) would mean you broke the one cardinal rule of Dulce;
disclosure of any kind. Another scenario is to exhibit any nature of instability, of
character, that can pose a threat of disclosure of the facility. And the workers all know
this. So no one talks.

But getting people to work at Dulce or any other highly secretive facility was not always
a controlled process. And it was harder in the earlier days to ensure you were getting
the right type of individual. But by the early 1960’s it became easier.

Through lessons learned from MKULTRA, the CIA discovered that to control behavior …
to ensure that rules and restrictions are adhered to with unfailingly loyalty … they would
need to establish a process to vet potential candidates through measures which could
expose any unwanted traits (physical, psychological or behavioral).

They only wanted highly qualified people deeply committed to maintaining the Nation’s
security, plus the secrecy of our classified operations and locations. So candidates
chosen for work at sensitive ‘top secret’ installations such as Dulce would be acquired
from a highly selective group of military personnel, people beyond accessibility to
normal military and operative channels.

These are people pooled by special recommendation from a team of top analysts at the
Pentagon called Evaluators. These people perform tasks with an emphasis on
personnel placement through a scientific means of evaluation. The evaluation is
performed after attempts are made to inculcate thoughts and behavior into the
candidates through processes of ‘persistent instruction’. This is the ‘conditioning’ I
mentioned to you earlier.

After a candidate is selected, an Evaluator would begin conditioning by administering a
series of serums combined with a battery of physical assessments and specially designed
interviews to monitor both behavioral and psychological reaction. Today, those who
pass the conditioning process are then entered into a resource pool managed by the
U.S. Army but shared with the Department of Defense called the [50]
“Integrated Total Army Personnel Database (ITAPDB) Portal” … and these operative personnel candidates
can be recalled for ongoing projects at any time.

Back then everything was on paper, and in files. This process was really slow, so to
centralize the pool, it no longer matters what branch of the military the candidates
come from. If they fit the requirement they are entered into a secure and classified
section of ITAPDB accessible to those outside the Army, so long as they come with
proper clearance only given through the Pentagon. And now the candidate’s personnel
info is held within ITAPDB for a finite period of time (usually 10-15 years), or until such
time that they find themselves disqualified from any further consideration.

Dulce is filled with people obtained through this process, as are many other classified
U.S. facilities around the world, underground or not.

Interesting, please continue.

Well, we were told that we were entering into a classified demilitarized zone. The
Brigadier General said an event involving fighting at the installation triggered off a set of
seldom used protocols establishing it immediately as a [51]
DMZ. I thought to myself, “how could there be a DMZ right here in America within our own
orders?” I could not believe it … just what the hell was this place? Nothing was making sense.
But the report said that there was a newly formed classified DMZ in place with full military
oversight, and active operations. And the Brigadier General confirmed it. The place was
on high alert.

Colonel, with all the information that was given to you, did you feel there was still a
chance that not all items were being disclosed to you?

Oh no … not at all. I felt as if I was being told everything and possibly a little too much
too fast. You see, I had no idea if by chance would be there beyond the 48 hour period,
or if we would ever return to Dulce. But I do remember asking myself, “Why are we
getting so much data?”

Anyhow, we finally made our way to Kirtland AFB. Once we were there we made our
way to the Dulce Facility via helicopter. There was an unimproved road that I later
learned of, which we could have taken to the installation once we reached the town of
Dulce, but this road required high lift off road vehicles and the area was already
completely inaccessible. There were impenetrable blockades being manned by military
personnel just a few miles from the town because of the ongoing events. So no one was
getting anywhere near the Mesa. And the way they orchestrated everything was so
tightly controlled that I do not think that anyone from the surrounding area had a clue
as to what was occurring.

And trying to traverse the areas surrounding the Mesa, even today, is not as easy as one
may think. The hillsides leading up to the Mesa are covered with pocketed areas of
shale and blankets of larger rocks when they are not covered with snow. During dry
months if you can make it up, you’ll find lots of pocketed high-density tree areas
interspersed amongst a large dry area sitting atop the plateau of the Mesa.

I told my wife that if I had to choose a single place to live my final days on earth, it
would northern New Mexico; anywhere between Dulce and Taos. It truly is a beautiful
part of the country. But you still have to be cautious as the whole area represents some
of the roughest terrain in this country. It’s very beautiful, but can come at a cost if you
do not know what the hell you are doing.

Despite the high elevation the area comes with all the dangers of a dry forest coupled
with hot desert like conditions during the summer. Hell, we used to joke that the higher
you were the hotter it got. But the most treacherous aspect would be just that, the
elevation. It’s deceptive, very deceptive. You have a montane desert-like environment,
which means the plateau, like some deserts, is very arid but just during summer months,
because it’s at or just above over 9000 feet. So this means you have much thinner air,
plus you also have the elements of a dangerous and unpredictable rugged rocky
mountainous region; especially due to much of it resting upon fragmentary columnar
basalt, making for a very dangerous climb. That’s why they call it the Desert High-
Terrain. You have both elements.

Because of the arid environment a person hiking up there in the high desert can lose up
to 4 liters per day, and to make matters worse altitude sickness can easily set in at 8000
feet; again, the Dulce Mesa is 9000 feet. Only experienced outdoorsmen, academic
research teams, or the local people themselves (from the Jicarilla Apache Nation) are the
only ones capable of surviving up in there for any prolonged amount of time. Again, the dirt
roads leading up to the Mesa are unfriendly, just making it very hard to climb whether on foot
or by vehicle.

In any event, someone opted for us not to drive, so instead we were flown in by
helicopter. A decision made to expedite our arrival.

Do you ever go back?

Oh yes. I’ve been back more than a few times, not always on business; for instance,
once in 1994 to meet an old friend to do some fishing. But usually when I go there, it’s
to do some work gathering data. I am retired, but remain active within the periphery of
my intelligence circle because of many reasons. Reasons mostly based on dark business
that occurs there that I cannot in good conscious allow going on without some level of
disclosure. That is the reason why we are talking. I have lots to divulge and I want you
to get it out.

Recently in 2009 I was at Norio Hayakawa’s Dulce Conference. This was in March
of 2009. I was there; in fact I was sitting in my car having coffee when the first of two
helicopters flew over the hotel. Let me tell you, a whole lot of interesting things
happened there. But let me tell you more about 1979 so we stay on track. I’ll get to my
more recent events before we wrap up, I promise.

Excellent … Dulce, let’s continue.

So… the report I held in my hands stated that in 1940 The U.S. Army had discovered a
seven level subterranean facility the size of a small city ‘by chance’, nestled smack dab
in the center of the Archuleta Mesa. This discovery came about when they began
scouting areas of New Mexico for potential sites to house our Atomic development and
testing program.

Didn’t our atomic development start in 1942 with the Manhattan Project?

No. You have to go back a little further than that, to when talks actually began in 1938.
That’s when atomic talks really started; it was by 1939 when FDR called up Lyman
Briggs, a physicist who was in charge of the National Bureau of Standards, to head up
"The Uranium Committee". This was a newly formed state department created to
undertake all nuclear research.

All of this began as a result of the Einstein–Szilárd letter. That’s the letter that set off
a Hellfire Storm in Washington. You see, the letter strongly advised President Roosevelt
to begin our own Atomic development and research efforts because the Nazi’s were
already researching the destructive power of nuclear bombs, and they were far ahead of
everyone else; most importantly, us.

This task was unlike anything else ever handled by our military and government, and
everyone knew that special precautions and steps needed to be taken. At that time
there was no CIA or DoD to coordinate and lead military efforts or intelligence
operations. If you look back, within our government and military, information was very
disparate at best, and already we had begun to see groups creating simultaneous teams
duplicating efforts.

For instance, there was no direction, no management or any control. At one point, no
one knew for a period of time both the Army and Navy each had separate code-breaking
departments (Signals Intelligence Service and OP-20-G) doing the same exact
thing. So, the prevalent concern was that this absolutely could not happen within a
program as sensitive as Atomic development. It had to be conducted under ‘one roof’
and tightly controlled.

Believe it or not, FDR himself made a damned good suggestion to ensure that only one
branch would be running operations. He felt that since talks had already begun as far
back as 1938 on how eventually the United States Army Corps of Engineers (USACE)
would take over all real estate acquisition, construction, and maintenance for Army
facilities by 1941; well, he suggested that they be in charge of assisting the scientists
from the Manhattan Project which was already under way as a small research
program; and only them. This made sense because the Army Corps of Engineers had
planes, soldiers and the necessary resources required.

Therefore he mandated that the Army Corps of Engineers alone head up the project to
build up a secret centralized location to facilitate the scientific research of the
Manhattan Project. So as a result, much of the information in the 1940 Dulce reports is
indirectly related to our atomic development program. All of this was occurring many
months before October 9, 1941 when FDR gave the go-ahead for the development of an
atomic weapon. So you see? The Muroc Expedition was already in place, happening
before anyone was aware. We were already ahead of the game.

What do you mean by The Muroc Expedition?

That’s right. You would have never heard about them, would you have? No you would
not have … so let me explain.

With the Army Corps of Engineers now in charge of new facility development, they
chose a special detachment of pilots and ground troops from [62]
“Muroc Army Air Field” out in California; which was still called the Muroc Lake Bombing and
Gunnery Range at that time. This unit was quickly assembled; assigned the job of finding us
a home for our Atomic development efforts. Sadly, they’ll never receive credit for what they
did, or for what they discovered.

It was the Muroc Expedition who found the subterranean facility mentioned in the
report, but they went off obscurely into history, because after making the greatest
discovery of the Modern Age, many of them were either dead, or re-assigned to
classified positions. Some were discharged. This was a group of men who didn’t know
what the hell they were getting into, and the fact that so many of them died “after” the
discovery event, not during but after the fighting and with no official recognition … well,
it breaks my heart as a soldier and as an American.

Are you saying there was fighting back in 1940 at the Mesa?

Oh yes, the news of the initial fighting upon their discovery of the location really created
a stir back at the Air Field. Eventually false information was given to those directly
affected, families, colleagues, commanding officers, etc. to protect the location and to
preserve Top Secret nature of the findings.

I thought you said that the Army had made the discovery?

They did, don’t get confused. You have to understand, this is before the Air Force was
established. Muroc was an ‘Air Field’ but it was the Army. Back in those days the Army
held oversight of the vast number of pilots in the military. And it wasn’t until September
1947 under the National Security Act that the U.S. Air Force was formed as a new
separate branch of the military. Before that it was the USAAC (U.S. Army Air Corps).
Anyhow, in the report I read that what they found was that the upper levels of this
facility were all but abandoned. The report also indicated that the initial exploration
went forth successfully without incident even once deep inside the facility. Mostly in
part because the soldiers selected were experts in various areas.

This is going to sound very old fashioned by today’s standards, but the unit included
geological experts, a surveyor, several trackers and cave experts; we called them called
Cavers back then, today they’re known as Spelunkers.

Anyhow there were even a few very good sharp shooters on the team. For 1940 this
was sort of an ad-hoc Special Forces unit. The group was formed in order to serve as a
ground unit with experts in various fields to compliment the Pilots flying overhead
determining where in the terrain the expedition team would go next. Everyone was
hand picked at Muroc.

In the military you must be prepared for anything, and when this team was assembled,
they intended it to be as a good team as you could create to help overcome the rough
terrain of New Mexico. But by chance, unbeknownst to whomever assembled the team;
they also created a unit that would be a pretty good fighting force, as they would soon
find out. And you know what? There couldn’t have been a better group chosen. The
valor and bravery, and even the foolishness I read of in the reports from 1940 really tell
me a lot about those men. Sometimes when I think about what I read, I almost felt as if
I was there.

Colonel, what did they find inside the facility?

In the reports prepared by the soldiers (who were told to record what they had found),
they discovered that the uninhabited upper levels held many of what appeared to be
ancient artifacts interspersed among modern looking but unfamiliar machines.
Some walls were covered with RADAR-like screens, and there also appeared to be
individual personnel stations, but mysteriously not large enough for any human to fit in;
and some fitted with various sorts of cryptography machines, or what appeared to
possibly be electric typewriters. All of these were connected to the flat RADAR-like
screens.

Hell, they didn’t have a clue. The soldiers were not sure what any of it was or what it
was used for. One soldier wrote, “Everything we are finding is highly sophisticated in
design; way beyond our latest military electronic equipment. It looks to be German,
possibly.”

The commanding officer wrote that in each room there appeared to be devices similar
to “electronic television sets, maybe German in appearance”, but immense in size and
very flat, covering most every wall near any of the equipment or electric machines. At
fist he thought these were windows but he could see that these somehow offered a
view or a screen to the many stations positioned in front of them. And the surface was
smooth as glass; in fact it was glass but had a liquid of some sort inside it, which seemed
impossible because it was paper thin.

In the same report it also stated that there were thick black cables with hundreds of
individual lighted wires inside, as fine as hair. They appeared to be like glass but were
physically malleable without causing damage, even when twisting or bending them.
Extruding from the ends of the wires, the bundles of exposed glass wires with lighted
ends, seemed to be receiving transmitted signals of some kind. There was a pattern to
the blinking, but they weren’t sure from what it was or from where it was coming.
Upon following the source of the cables showed that they came from deep beneath the
upper levels; many were severed seemingly removed through a rough extraction
process, almost as if someone had cut them. What was strange was that indication by
the surrounding evidence pointed to the equipment being hundreds of years old,
possibly, and left undisturbed for that long; the curious ones asked, “How could there
be a power source?”

And this … this is where it becomes really strange. An area of the report that had me
questioning not only if what I was reading (was real), and what had me questioning,
“Why was I going to this place?”

You see, in addition to all the modern looking machinery, the report stated that just past
the cavern entrance and nearly several hundred feet inside they had found American
Indian blades, discernable from the leather sheaths and cloth wrapping style upon
handles made from bone, they also found over 100 arrows, bows and quivers … each
dated to about the late 1800s. And this corroborated the few Colt Revolvers and
Winchester repeater rifles they found, still in perfect usable condition.

Lying nearby there was both unused and spent ammunition, strewn about as if
something violent had occurred in there. The report stated that the soldiers wanted to
touch the artifacts, but the commanding officer having the sense to preserve what they
found for the experts, ordered them to not touch anything under threat of courtmartial.
The commanding officer wrote that nothing was right about this location. He felt
everything seemed out of place; almost as if discovering anachronisms with each new
room they entered. Futuristic machines, but easily capable of being hundreds of years
old based on the way webs, dirt and dust had accumulated on the devices; it didn’t
make any sense.

Once deeper inside the facility he also wrote that they found human remains, some
apparently were American Indians easily identified by their traditional clothing. But he
stated that no Indian he knew dressed like that anymore. This was stuff that he swore
that mid 19th century Apache warriors wore. At first they thought they could place the
find to at least the 1840’s, but later they determined it was probably closer to the
1870’s because of the Colt revolvers they found.

The commanding officer wrote in the report, “What were Apache warriors doing here
and who were they fighting, and for what reason?” He wrote that he told everyone to
pull back and setup camp at the end of the first day of exploring the caverns inside and
underneath the Mesa. That night they slept without incident.
The next day they made their way deeper into the caverns and noticed that the natural
formations on the walls began to give way to a more structured and uniform patterns of
large flat walls, made of some metallic matted substance. Interspersed between these
segments were smaller segments where the walls had a smooth black layer of what
appeared to be highly polished-down conglomerate rock; almost granite-like in
appearance, but different in that it had both a liquid and illuminant property to it. No
one had ever seen such a material before. When you pressed your hand up against it,
an illuminated print remained for some time.

Some soldiers began writing with their fingers before the commanding officer ordered
them to stop. What also mystified them were the rectangular windows with strange
fluorescent purple lighting; almost lavender in color, and ice cold to the touch.

And then if it couldn’t get any stranger, they began to find diminutive human-like
remains, with enlarged heads and very large eye sockets, many of them strewn about
the area where the cavern began to transition from natural cavern to a fabricated
structure. All around the first areas surveyed, there were signs of a struggle and serious
fire fighting, as they found more weapons, dead bodies and carbon blasts on the walls
from having been shot at. But from how long ago the fighting occurred was anyone’s
guess. No one was sure exactly. The American Indian bodies were further out; but
these new small human-like remains were being found much deeper into the facility.
The officer wrote that “Maybe someone had chased them down up to this point in the
cave-corridor and then killed them.” To know for sure, he wrote that they were going to
need expert help.

As they began to find rooms, more discoveries of equipment was made. These rooms
like the others were also covered in cobwebs, dirt, and dust, indicating possible decades
of lying there completely undisturbed.

Nothing made sense, so the commanding officer in charge of the scouting expedition
had enough awareness to call someone else in, a personal friend of his back at Muroc, a
highly educated officer with a degree in Archeology who possessed a very methodical
scientific approach to every aspect of his work.

Within two days he was flown in and with his help he was able to catalog and expertly
remove everything with both precision and academic prudence, thus preserving all the
artifacts along with meticulous documentation. From what I gathered from the report,
the commanding officer himself was pretty astute and well aware of what he had
discovered. His decision to place an archeology expert in charge of the site recovery
operation proved to be an incredibly crucial decision, vital to later successes in our own
technological advancements.

As I kept reading I learned that in some rooms they found super thin metallic sheets
which they called tablets, containing writing. These had writings which were etched on
to the surface with machine like precision. Large paper thin metal sheets of these
tablets, acting as some advanced form of writing surface used to document something.

The newly arrived officer’s team of scientific experts noted that the writing found on the
tablets resembled cuneiform script from ancient Mesopotamia, particularly [66]
Akkadian cuneiform. However these figures seemed to be much more compact in
design and contained many differences not found in the known cuneiform.
The commanding officer wrote that it was these men that began to call these writing
sheets ‘tablets’, because of the similarity of the writing on the stone tablets discovered
during archeological expeditions in Iraq during the 1840s. But these tablets and the
cuneiform were easily seen as highly version, well beyond the complexity of the
Mesopotamian finds. And they observed how no living person could have done this
work by hand. These finds were set apart from their archeological counterparts found
in Iraq.

In the report it stated that all the equipment (machines) found by the soldiers had the
same style of cuneiform but which included some different unidentifiable markings -
symbols; and there were a few other distinct types of writing styles found elsewhere, in
other rooms too.

I later learned that after some years of research by the U.S. Army and various Academic
experts, that they would fully translate the language and confirm that it was a highly
advanced form of cuneiform inscription but with many variations and much more
complex attributes than seen in Akkadian cuneiform, and it seemed to have an
alphabetic structure more similar to the complexity of the later [67]
Ugaritic alphabet.

The markers for dating the cuneiform seem to jump back and forth in time, but its roots
were the same. Again, there was this strange aspect to nearly everything found. And
the writing was not without its own mysteries.

It would later be determined that the Akkadian and Ugaritic civilizations used adopted
forms of this language, and while crude in their own adaptations, very functional and
seemingly to be directly from the language root discovered in the caverns. But how
they got these was another question.

Within a few years time, both academic and military linguistics teams would eventually
develop the ability to fully translate the language, and the Army would fund the creation
of a translation device. The device was typewriter-like in physical design and it
outputted the advanced cuneiform script in exact translations. A feat truly advanced for
its time. But with regard to translation devices, that would all change dramatically just a
decade or so later once we gained the full trust of the inhabitants.

So in addition to this, their goal was to attempt reverse engineering of all the equipment
they found, and to communicate with whoever was down there. Through the
translation of the language, they deciphered the metal tablets, of which so many had
been found nearly everywhere in the caverns and corridors which led to rooms.

Colonel, who are the inhabitants?

This is complicated as there were several groups we learned of, but only which one ever
occupied the caverns. At first we did not understand why, but with time it all became
clear.

Now, with the ability to read their writings, the names of the subterranean inhabitants
and other associated groups were discovered as was their entire history. Over time our
researchers began to understand exactly what had happened at this location,
understanding who these inhabitants and other groups were, and who among them was
outside of the caverns. And we also learned how and why with all of their technology
they were seemingly trapped here.

Do you mean outside, as in … on the surface?

Exactly; the lives of one group extends beyond the sub terrain. The other group is
everywhere, concentrated around various communities, and with a specific agenda.
There were a total of four groups; today there are only two.

Firs are the Progenitors; aliens from the Sirius system. Second are the Anu (Anunna,
possibly the same as the Anunnaki from Ancient Sumer); their genetically enhanced
offspring the Progenitors. Third is the Austra Albus; the offspring of the Anu, and finally
the Greys; not related genetically to the Progenitor lineage. If you will, there is a fifth
group … modern humans; genetically modified for a specific reason.

Colonel… Greys? Are you saying there are aliens in Dulce?

Yes; Greys beneath Dulce and Alien-Human hybrids up on the surface. Two groups
remain…

Where did they come from, and how did the Greys get inside Dulce? I mean … why
are they there?

The first historical reference discovered was to a group of beings representing a creator
class simply called the Progenitors, a powerfully advanced group of distant celestial
origin. This group was often referred to by the others as simply the Gods, the Creators
or Progenitors.

The origins of the Progenitors begins in [68] Zeta Reticuli, but for reasons unknown to the
Greys, the Progenitors en masse left for the Sirius System. And the reason for that
decision is not known; however, what is known … is that the Progenitors migrated and
occupied two planets in the [69] Sirius System from that point on. And this is where the
Greys do begin to possess a clearer picture of their creators. For millions of years the
Progenitor race lived in Sirius before deciding to expand and investigate a newly
discovered solar system rich with compatible resources; ours.

Thus the progenitor group left the Sirius System for our own; the planet [70]
Mars specifically. Although desolate, Mars held a rich compatible atmosphere full of space
for colonization. They settled Mars and thrived for 100,000 years. At the end of that
time period, a catastrophic event occurred so they abandoned Mars for Earth. When
they arrived to Earth it was not ideal; the environment and Earths atmosphere was all
wrong, so they began to die.

To continue their lineage they created a genetically enhanced offspring to cope with
Earth’s hostile environment; the Anu.

They also created a servant caste for the Anu called the Eloah. In the tablets the Eloah
were also called the Achromatic and Formicidae. These would be your typical Greys.
They were created to provide the Anu with a workforce gathering resources required to
live comfortably. The Eloah (Greys) where also created to oversee the indigenous
primitive earth population of early humans.

For reasons unknown the Anu became afflicted with the same genetic predisposition
that cased a weakness in the immune system against the harsh ever changing
environment of Earth. To continue survival they needed to create a new better
genetically enhanced successor group.

This new group they called the Austra Albus, also called Illumina, Light Bringers, and the
Immaculate Ones. These names are based on numerous translations of references
found in the tablets. The word Austra is a phonetic translation, we have no definition
for it, nor do we know the origin. Albus means light or white.

With the Anu now dying … the Austra Albus were now the primary group in the
hierarchy, and the last hope.

Before the Anu died off they warned the Austra Albus of the threat the Eloah (Greys)
could one day pose; and to prepare for it ... to never allow their numbers to become too
large, and to restrict their interaction with the indigenous populace as they might
become too powerful to control one day. These words would be very prophetic. And
soon the Anu died off.

With some critical flaw, and incompatibility to thrive within the earth’s environment,
the Austra Albus also became sick. To survive, they would have to do the unthinkable.
Interbreed with the primitive indigenous populace. But it was their only chance. To
avoid extinction they were forced to integrate with the earliest vestiges of modern
humanity.

This succeeded. Finally, their quest to live on Earth was realized but through the
integration with the indigenous inhabitants. Their lineage was no longer pure; a
devastating affect to their psyche. By this time the Greys also became stronger.

The writings describe the Eloah or Greys as a newly created genetic sub-species of scant
Progenitor home world life forms, with no Progenitor DNA themselves; created by the
Progenitors, at the same time as the Austra Albus, through a selection of predetermined
traits extracted from alien life forms.

This group was made to serve as a demigod for Homo sapiens, to be used as a method
of control over humans, and as a means to avoid interaction (with) humans, although
this prejudice changed.

I don’t want to stay on this area for too much longer, but here is the bottom line. The
Austra Albus who are a human-alien offspring of the Anu … it’s understood that today
they are a secret cabal of select alien-human lineages, and very powerful. They are a
tightly controlled bloodline (of alien origin) stretching back thousands of years. Various
people who today represent the powers-that-be amongst the ranks of humanity are
members of this group.

These are your Rothschilds, Rockefellers, and the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha (in England, also
known as the [75] Windsor) all of whom descended from strict marriage based on
familial-lineage and breeding protocols, of a select lineage base to preserve the lines.
All because of one reason; blood.

From the special blood attained through females of the lineage (due to certain
hormones) it helps them to sustain their ability to withstand the environment;
additionally, they also use secretions of pituitary and pineal glands (from captured
modern humans) which also acts as strong drug helping to keep them from succumbing
to mental instability caused by environmental stresses and unwanted chemical
influence.

Sounds strange, but this is exactly what we learned from the Greys writings; and the
Dissident Greys themselves.

Colonel, how do you know these are families are related to this Austra Albus group?

The Dissident Greys have warned us about which families on the surface are all Austra
Albus. Those are just some of them, and also because the older writings tell us the
original lines of Austra Albus and how now they are a strictly controlled lineage.
And the last and most modern of the tablets we discovered created by Dissident Greys
just some 150 hundreds of years ago include data telling us which families are most
prominent. The Dissident Greys seem to have compiled lots of data using traitor Austra
Albus operatives for centuries now. We’ve never met one, but we know that they do
exist.

Our own intelligence also tells us that select members of each family have been
identified within the ranks of various shadow organizations operating today. This means
they operate within many of the secretive groups that ultimately culminate into today’s
global elitist ranks.

What is also important to realize is that over the many years, the alien element has
since been 99% eradicated and the remaining lines are now almost pure humans. But in
addition to their knowledge and power, they also retain one genetic predisposition that
can kill them. This is why they are seemingly so exclusionary and secretive. They have
to be.

Are there any other prominent American families?

Yes.

Colonel, with all the families you are mentioning … I have to ask you, “Are the Austra
Albus the Illuminati?”

Maybe … look, I don’t know who the Illuminati are; however, they represent a
powerful cabal, a secret organization that is based on bloodlines and mysterious origins,
so the Austra Albus very well could be.

But I am not going to make that call. All I work with is the intelligence I am provided. All
I am saying is that the Greys have informed us that certain families … the world’s most
wealthy and influential are Austra Albus.

And why are the Eloah called Formicidae; which is a reference to ants, is it because of
their appearance?

No. The Eloah or Greys were not referred to as Formicidae for their appearance as
you might assume. Rather, the writings say that it is for their behavioral traits which
were programmed into their genome, all within the context of their socialization and
protectorate nature. It is how the Progenitors created them to be.

Also, what we know is that the Greys are in fact ‘alien’. Their genetics are not from here
nor do they come from the Progenitor lineage.

Their genetic make-up comes directly from the Progenitor race’s home planet. Today
however, the species represents a genetic integration and transformation from multiple
sources. The tablets make no attempt to hide the fact that the Greys have, to some
extent, shared levels of incorporated alien-animal and even alien-Insect DNA, but again,
no Progenitor DNA.

Their writings record that even we (modern humans) were modified by the Austra
Albus. But whereas their genetic base comes from the Progenitor aliens, ours comes
from theirs, which was already heavily modified. And it is what separates us from all
other life forms on Earth. We received critical elements of the Austra Albus genome;
and for very specific reasons.

One more important note is that the archeological teams determined that many sets of
tablets fell in to separate social categories and in to two primary segments of the alien
chronology. There was a pre-war collection of tablets, and a post-war collection. We
learned that about 10,000 years ago there was a revolt against the Austra Albus by the
Eloah, the Greys. Also, and unbelievably, the chronological calculations made by our
researchers show that the Greys may have been living in various North American cave
systems from as far back as 26,000 years ago.

[-Vod-]

What prompted the revolt?
It resulted from both treachery and betrayal within their groups. As it would seem they
are not so different from us after all.

This is simply incredible.

That, it is…

You are saying that there is a history extending back thousands of years, maybe a
hundred to two hundred thousand years, with ties to the ancient Near East,
culminating to a discovery in the caverns of Dulce; right here in the Southwest?

That I am; and no, the chronology is closer to 1,000,000 years.

Look … everything I learned shocked me to my core and made me reevaluate our
history, religions, and selves. You see, there is much more

(At this point he stopped talking, didn’t respond with another word, just a glance. Then
he left for a few moments to get up and refill his coffee, when he returned he lit another
cigarette; after a few minutes we reconvened to continue our interview.)

Colonel, I do want to talk more about the two species, but can you elaborate on the
fighting which you said occurred back in 1940? In our phone conversation you
mentioned the discovery but you also mentioned a hostile engagement.

Yes. In 1940 The Muroc Expedition, during their discovery created a base camp inside
the top level of the facility they found. They also setup a surface level camp above the
Mesa tunnel entrance. Now remember, all of this comes directly from the piles of
reports that I had access to.

The report of the Muroc Expedition was very descriptive and stated many events …
within days of setting up their camp, they began to explore further. The newly arrived
scientific team would ask for as much material as could be extracted from the caverns.
No one knew what this place was and if they would ever be back.

As they made their way deeper into the tunnels and down to the second lower level
they had begun reporting sightings of people (so they thought), they called them
inhabitants. The soldiers, by virtue of lugging around all their gear, could not help but
make their presence known to whoever it was down there. Even as they tried to
remain quite and out of sight, they could sense that someone or something was
successfully tracking the soldiers. But there was no effort to interact with whoever it
was … not yet.

It was reported that some tunnels seemed to be endless, as far as they could see. The
descriptions said that the environment had low levels of subdued colored lighting, with
a purplish hue created from some unknown chemo-luminescence all along the upper
and lower sections of the walls. They could see entrances to unused side corridors
(other smaller tunnels) discernable by the shape of the emitted lighting near those
entrances.

The soldiers noted that the lower you got the hotter and more humid the tunnels had
become. The walls were wet from condensation, not so much in the upper levels, but
extremely moist, even dripping in the lower levels. They said that the lower level
tunnels smelled a bit like a factory that made industrial chemicals. According to one
entry written by a soldier, although the smell was bad it was mostly obscured by the
humidity which rendered their sinuses torpid.

All the reports stated that there were incidents of the mysterious inhabitants peering
from around corners to observe the soldiers, usually from a great distance; almost like
shadows. This lasted for several weeks but there was never real interaction, thus
allowing the group to collect and remove as many artifacts as they could.

Several of the reports independently wrote about how they were shipping these items
back to Muroc Air Field from makeshift dirt Air Strips being used near the town of
Alamogordo. As the artifacts where transported back to Muroc, new equipment and
supplies were coming in. The artifacts were being cataloged and placed in a specially
demarked area of a hanger operating as a warehouse for later study.

Do you mean Holloman AFB near Alamogordo?

No, Alamogordo Air Field wasn’t built until 1942 after all of this had already occurred.
And it wasn’t known as Holloman AFB until they renamed it 1947. There was already
the Albuquerque Army Air Base in place as early as 1941, but Muroc was the operating
hub for the Army’s intelligence operations dating back then, and even up to today.

Isn’t it interesting that Muroc is now Edwards AFB, the same site that provides oversight
to the Groom Lake installation, another place (like Dulce) that supposedly “does not
exist”? Speaking of air bases, ‘Albuquerque Army Air Base’ was renamed to
Kirtland Army Air Field, in 1942.

That’s now Kirtland AFB?

Yes, it’ snow Kirtland AFB. Anyhow, in 1940 we were still searching for potential
locations to conduct our Atomic development and testing. New Mexico already having
certain facilities in place, coupled with its remoteness, was the perfect choice.

But Colonel, what about the tunnels, can we go back to what occurred with the Muroc
Expedition Team?

Yes. So, several of the soldiers had been tasked with writing everything down to have
several perspectives of the expedition, as it occurred. This was a common practice back
then. There were no laptops, camcorders, or digital voice recorders back in those days.
So the report incorporated all the entries from the journal takers, writers. And
essentially what we ended up with was a stirring account of some heavy interaction,
types of engagement that no one expected.

According to the entries form the commanding officer, they managed to hold camp
without incident, accidents, injuries while exploring for a while now. It had been three
weeks in the caverns and corridors, and everyone was getting real comfortable. But as
the discovery and collection of more artifacts continued, they found themselves
traversing much deeper and deeper in to what they now realized were the lower levels.
And the walls continued to just get more sophisticated in design as they got lower.
By the time they had cleared out the second level and began moving into the third, they
began to encounter what seemed to be noises from unknown sources. First it was a
sound static or hissing noise that would last for several minutes at a time. This lasted
for a few hours. Then a mysterious super fast beeping sound would appear out of
nowhere as if someone had deliberately set off the sound right behind you. No one
could determine how this was happening as there was no one else down there, they
thought.

And finally, as they got deeper into recesses of the third level down, an eerily terrifying
sound of would begin to manifest then quickly disappear within the frame of a second.
It would come and go, just like that; very loud and disturbing, unnerving the soldiers.
This lasted for a couple of hours.

Then the sound began to last for several seconds. The echo in the corridor made the
sound even more terrifying. By the time the emanating sounds would reach the five to
ten second ranges in length, the soldiers could then tell that it was collage of combined
screams and cries, from adults and children, as if to warn the soldiers. These continued
on for hours on end.

The report mentioned that over a time span of two days listening to these sounds, one
of the officers was able to conclude that what they were hearing was a recording … as if
from a ‘phonograph’ being played repeatedly. He began to take note of various sounds
he swore he had already heard before. He recorded down the times and any
phonetically writable and recognizable occurrences he could. And just like that, like
clockwork, on each 90 minute mark the sounds would seemingly repeat. He had
created three patterns created of various sounds over three hours, and he had a fellow
solider confirm his findings.

This placed the commanding officer at ease. It seemed that the horrible sounds were a
recording used to deter the soldiers from moving forward, or deeper inside the tunnels.
The description of the sounds was one of female humans suffering, interspersed with
horrifying cries from children, and even men; terrifying noise. Two men had to be
escorted out of the caves and back up to the surface because they couldn’t handle the
noise.

“But the sounds, these sounds are of people; just how the hell did they get these
recordings?” is what one officer seemingly kept writing over and over in his journal.
Obviously, to some extent, the sound had gotten to him too. You could begin to tell
that the men writings indicated that they were very agitated.

But those that could continue to write unaffected, noted that some of the recordings
were sounds made by people, but not in any language recognizable to them. In any
event, it was working as this was irritating and growing on the nerves of the men.
But then, just like that … it stopped.

The stop coincided exactly when the orders were given by the commanding officer to
pack up and begin vacating the lower third tunnel back upwards towards the entrance;
as if the inhabitants knew the soldiers were leaving. But the report stated that two
soldiers intent on going lower, and without permission from the commanding officer,
caused what amounted to a deadly encounter over a period of the next three days.
What I am about to tell you comes from the account as written by one of the scientific
team officers who interviewed the lone returning soldier.

It began when two men crawled down into the darkly lit tunnel area where the sounds
had been coming from. They wanted to know who had been doing this, and why. As
they got closer the walls were began dripping with condensation from high levels of
humidity and combined heat, almost unbearable for the two men. And it got worse as
they traversed downward and further in.

As they made their way deeper in, they began to hear voices; they were the voices
coming from the inhabitants. This scared the hell out of the two soldiers. The report
described their language as a combination of whispers and clicking noises, similar to
some of the exact sounds played in those unnerving recordings used earlier as a
deterrent.

While they continued on, the soldiers happened upon a group of inhabitants just past a
round-shaped doorway near the top of one of the side tunnel which they had snuck
into. Before being noticed, one soldier said that they witnessed up to 50 inhabitants in
this one very large room. There were tables with what appeared to be lab equipment,
and they seemed to be working, performing experiments or medical procedures on
other inhabitants or animals; things not fully recognizable to the soldiers.

In the heavy atmosphere of fear and eminent trepidation, so much had been going on
that it took a few minutes for the soldiers to even realize that what they were seeing
were not humans but something else; diminutive sized people with enlarged heads and
huge eyes. This scared the hell out of them. They were frozen with fear and could
barely talk to one another at that moment of realization.

On one side of this large room there was a wall with screens like more of the ‘electronic
televisions’ like they had seen in the higher levels, but with vivid colors and showing
images of their base camp up on the first level. They were being monitored. They
realized that these things could see everything that they had been doing since they
arrived.

The soldiers tried to make their way back out of the tiny corridor leading up to this
vantage point that allowed them to peer in. But as they began to leave, trying not to be
noticed, one of them dropped his pistol which he held in his hand. He picked it back up,
but that commotion alerted the entire room to their presence.

As they began to quickly vacate, one of the soldiers was grabbed and dragged into the
room screaming. The escaping solder pulled out his pistol and began to run as fast as he
could. He could hear pistol shots being fired repeatedly from the other soldier who was
now back in that room. He must have been shooting at those things.

As he ran, he heard inhabitant voices right behind him which only helped him to dig
deep and find the strength to run even faster, but they were coming after him and
gaining ground. As he gained ground on the upper level he began to scream out. He
said that he had screamed as loud as he could towards his group, but he knew he was
still too far out to be heard by anyone.

Still too far in the distance, he could however begin to see the distant lights from his
base camp emerge. The other soldiers had packed up and were wondering where the
two missing soldiers were, waiting to give them hell for making them stay longer. The
soldiers at base camp continued to pack up and await further orders before making
their way back up to the surface. They were oblivious to the screams from the escaping
soldier.

He said that as he ran, he screamed and began firing his weapon behind him hoping to
kill whoever was chasing him. His shots finally alerted his group to his presence, and
they being startled by the shooting, began firing in his direction. Even as friendly bullets
zipped right by his head, he cared less about getting hit and more about being captured
by these things.

What he had seen terrified him. The commanding officer wrote in the report that the
soldier, upon reaching the group, yelled his head off screaming in utter terror. Before
the soldier even realized he had made it back successfully, he was surrounded by fellow
soldiers, pissed off at him for going out on his own. They in turn were screaming at him,
“What the hell are you doing?” they said. “Why are you shooting?” and “What the hell
is wrong with you?” they shouted at the returning soldier.

“What are you doing to me?” the escaped soldier belted. “Let go of me; let me go god
damn it!” he continued. The commanding officer hurried over to the group telling them
to break it up and explain what was happening.

“Can’t you see what’s behind me, look!” he shouted. Just then, one of the soldiers
murmured, “What the hell is that?”

And in unison, they all turned towards the direction that the soldier was looking to see a
wave of inhabitants with weapons headed in their direction. Everyone grabbed for their
weapons and began taking cover behind the larger equipment, and some soldiers began
to overturn wide metal tables located inside the cavernous area, where they had setup
camp; positioning the tables as fast as they could to take cover.

The commanding officer shouted, “Everyone … no firing, no god damned firing of
weapons, is that understood?” he continued, “Do not fire, just take cover and wait until
I give an order; got it?”

The men continued taking cover and loading their weapons, packing ammunition. And
the commanding officer began ordering his communications specialist to radio for help,
“Send for help now; send our position to the surface and get me some reinforcements
down here ASAP. Tell them we are encountering hostile inhabitants.”

In the report it stated that the inhabitants moved in a slow and disorganized formation
once they began to reach the soldiers. All of the inhabitants were quite small; but some
appeared taller within their group, while others were much shorter. There was no exact
size to these things. The inhabitants had somewhat human-looking bodies, but
something was odd about their skin.

Their faces … they couldn’t make out their faces. And from the distance you could see
their weapons begin to light up with a green fluorescent colored glow, what would later
be described as a chemo-luminescence affect upon arming the weapon. They learned
this by retrieving and studying one of the weapons after the incident.

But this strange lighting terrified the soldiers as they had never seen anything like this.
The commanding officer had enough sense to immediately recognize an advantage. He
shouted to his men that this would work against the inhabitants. In the dark tunnel
these lighted weapons would serve as targets.

As they got closer the tunnel grew quieter, except for the clicking noises which became
more pronounced and faster. They were communicating with one another.

The commanding officer could now give orders without shouting as his own men had
also calmed down. All eyes were on their commander, giving him their full trust. He
had ordered all lights turned off. Two of the soldiers, the snipers, had been equipped
with prototype night-scopes that the Army had been evaluating for purchase from [77]
AEG back in 1936 before tensions had seriously risen with Germany.

This was an advantage the commanding officer sought, and why he had ordered all their
lights be immediately turned off (to the dismay of some soldiers). He knew that with his
two sharp shooters at hand, using the night-scopes, coupled with the lighted weapons
of the hostile inhabitants … well, he knew that they could possibly prevail.

The soldiers, most of them, were gathering their composure as began to conceal their
position with silence, making no movement whatsoever. Because it was now darker and
quite impossible for the men to see, they listened intently for the commanding officers
orders.

“Wait for it, just wait a few more seconds…” whispered the commander.
Once the inhabitants had reached to about twenty yards away from their camp
perimeter, their weapons lighted up the room, so with a real calm voice and a simple
gesture of pointing his now visible two fingers towards the inhabitants, the commanding
officer gave out the order, “Fire…”

A couple of soldiers jumped forward and blasted their way to the front encountering the
inhabitants. They managed to hit a few, spraying bullets in all directions before getting
hit with small glowing blasts from the inhabitant’s weapons leaving large gashes in the
men’s bodies, glowing liquefied areas where they had been hit. This scared the hell out
of the rest of them, but they fought on. It was noticed that the inhabitants would not
move forward beyond a certain area which led directly into the perimeter of the men.

This behavior gave the men an advantage. The metal tables which they hid behind
seemed impervious to the inhabitant’s weapons; they could simply not be damaged.
But the large areas of stockpiled equipment they planned to take were being blasted to
hell. Those men quickly realized that they need to get out of there and behind the
metal tables. One soldier who was stuck behind of quickly disappearing equipment
decided to forgo diving behind a metal table and decided to confront the inhabitants
head on. He sprayed them killing several instantly, and then went hand to hand with
one of the larger inhabitants. This creature was ferocious and was tearing the man to
shreds not using his weapon, as if deciding to torture the soldier rather than killing him
quickly.

As they fought the soldier began to gain the upper hand as his fellows began to target
that creature and hit him successfully several times. But these shots did not stop the
inhabitant from grabbing the soldier and pulling him into a corridor. Once out of sight
you could hear the soldier scream like mad and fight hard. Within what seemed to be
forever, which in reality was only half a minute at most; the soldier reappeared and had
the inhabitant’s weapon in his hand.

He began firing from behind the inhabitants, and the soldiers began to take cover as
blasts began to spray their area. Somehow the solider knew how to use this damned
weapon and he killed quite a few before making his way back to the group. The
inhabitants and soldiers fought over a three hour period before it finally ended.

With the new weapon, many inhabitants were slaughtered quite easily, with only a
handful of soldiers being killed or injured, mostly those who fought near the front line.
It was suspected that the inhabitants thought the soldiers would be similarly equal
opponents to the earlier combatants that they had faced, probably encountering the
same types of weapons and tactics from the time period, but what they had not
factored was that this group was a highly trained military unit with long range automatic
weapons, comprised of men who were disciplined fighters, trained to kill Nazis with no
mercy.

Following their commanding officer’s orders, they won convincingly. Many of the other
inhabitant’s weapons were recovered, and the only living inhabitant, a severely injured
one, was being observed by the soldiers who tried to communicate with it for several
hours, slapping and punching it, before they were ordered to finally just kill the damned
thing.

This was the entry that surprised me the most from the report of this incident. The
commanding officer had shown a strong resolve throughout this whole ordeal,
maintaining a strong will for the sake of carefully recovering and documenting
everything with scientific prudence. But at the loss of his men, and seeing the dead
being carted away, I believe his inner-soldier gave way to his emotions. So the lone
living inhabitant captive never stood a chance of living. I’m sure that later, his
intellectual side would have felt bad over losing such a strange specimen.
After the last killing, some soldiers noted that they witnessed many inhabitants retreat,
with some turning away as soon as fighting began. The behavior observed was strange
too, as if initially these inhabitants did not expect there to be a real fight at all. But the
minute bullets were fired in rapid succession, many fled. And it was noticed that those
which did flee seemed to be without weapons to being with, and that their attire was
different from those that had stayed, almost as if wearing lab coats.
After the 3 hours of fighting ended, the men grabbed their dead and just the essential
items they needed … including a few more important looking artifacts; and especially
the weapons from the dead inhabitants.
“We got the hell out of there taking as much as we could” was written in the report by
the commanding officer. He had indicated that some soldiers had recommended that
they take advantage of their win and go deeper into the tunnel, but the commanding
officer decided against it, until they could analyze everything that had occurred and
determine who they hell it was they were fighting. The officer ordered that just three
inhabitant bodies be taken back to Muroc. He told the soldiers to find the least
damaged corpses and to bag them.

Later when they reached the surface there was a feeling of relief and safe haven;
somehow instinctively they just knew that the inhabitants would not follow. The
surface team asked about the engagement and began to take a head count of who
made it and who did not, and they began documenting the stories from the returning
soldiers. The dead were all accounted for.

Then it began, there were reported claims of some unknown species who some soldiers
said appeared to be a human with a large head. Some said they thought they weren’t
human at all in appearance, and others even said they thought they were no taller than
four feet and had grey-orange skin with large black eyes, some with small tufts of wispy
hair. Some were just grey with no hair at all. There were slight but recognizable
differences among these creatures. Upon later analysis, it was determined that species
encountered during the fighting was the Eloah Formicidae (the Greys) as described in
the historical tablets.

The Army would have recalled the unit immediately back to Muroc, but the reported
technologies they were finding down below were simply too important to be
disregarded. And not everything had been collected, plus command back a Muroc
wanted as much as they could recover. So one final series of exploration down to the
two safer levels took place before eventually sealing up the entrance they had found,
and cordoning off the entire area as a classified military jurisdiction. There was no more
fighting, just an understanding that we were going to go down there, and kill anything
that moved, if necessary. Something tells me that at that time the inhabitants now
knew this as well. Things remained quite for sometime.

Today as I look back at the success of the campaign in 1940 as opposed to the
devastating failure of the 1979 event, it tells me how much the inhabitants had
progressed… as if planning, so much so that they would fight with better success the
next time. The bottom line here is the 1940 group had far superior armament than their
Apache predecessors, thus they caught the inhabitants by surprise.

Despite that, the report said that the Apaches had also fought well, killing many of the
Greys based on the number of bodies they found. The evidence also showed that their
earlier encounter with the Greys had them outnumbered by 1 to 10. The belief is that
the Apaches would have prevailed had they just slightly better numbers during their
fight. One has to wonder if they had how that would have changed things today.
Because some analysts speculate that some Apaches made it out alive from their
engagement with the Greys.

Because of that assumption, back then in the 1940s the army allocated personnel to
meet with local Native American people to ask about events or stories where men had
not returned from the Mesa area. Surprisingly, some of the Native Americans told of
stories relating to their sacred texts (stories of legends) recalling encounters between
people and monsters that live beneath the Archuleta Mesa, thousands of years before.
Now isn’t that Interesting?

But the Jicarilla don’t talk too much about anything. And you cannot blame them for
this. Getting messages across through telling a story or recalling an event (traditional or
personal) is done in a different manner, and in great contrast to outsiders whose frame
of mind is a “get to the point” attitude. If you don’t show respect to the Jicarilla, you
won’t get any in return. You have to learn to communicate in a civil and respectful
manner before the people will open up to you. Those who learned how to respect
“Storytelling” learned a great amount of knowledge. And these individuals succeeded in
Dulce.

One thing I personally learned was that whenever I spoke to a Jicarilla Elder, it was
common practice to engage with respect as to listen intently. I attended private
meetings with certain Elders, who would from memory recall with exact detail, various
stories from the Sacred Texts. The most important of which were the Myths and
Legends, of Wars and Hunting but especially of Trickster Stories. These were so
important to understand. The elders would open with a short prayer and close with a
ceremony after which I would always offer a small gift as a sign of respect for sharing
their offering.

After time I earned the respect of my new friends and they trusted me enough to tell
me of many things; UFO sightings over the Mesa, Greys who were seen at night, and
even abductions of entire vehicles with passengers in tow. I learned a lot. The Jicarilla
people have more to tell on the subject of UFOs and Greys than any other group on
Earth. That has already been proven. Second to them are the [78]
Dropa of the northern Tibetan Plateau. But getting to them is far more difficult.

Why the Dropa?

Grey writings say that suring a much earlier Greys civil war, that a group left for another
remote area so to follow a different doctrine. These people somehow also interbred
with Humans; the Dropa. We do not know much about them.

Interesting…

So anyhow, between 1940 and 1979 a whole new world would come about throughout
all of New Mexico, but especially in Dulce. Many of the things we discovered down
below would trigger a new wave of thinking by the military and the government. And
through our new relationships, we would make exponential leaps in various technology
sectors.

Colonel, after that entire episode of hostilities, how could any diplomatic contact
emerge with those inhabitants?

When there is something highly prized at stake, diplomacy always has a way of
emerging. It took two years after the fighting, but by the end of 1942 it happened. This
came through a persistent level of attempts to communicate and to understand just
who they were and what they were doing down here.

Because of the war, the whole New Mexico plateau had changed and heavy importance
was being placed on the Atomic development work. Aside from that, on-going analysis
and reverse-engineering of certain artifacts taken from the caverns had already begun.
A new team from Muroc was created and a two-part installation was built.

First, they worked to establish communication with the inhabitants, and secondly it was
to learn as much as they could to cover every aspect of the inhabitant’s language and
technology. But before beginning, to maintain the integrity of the find and to add some
level of consistency, the original commanding officer of the Muroc expedition and the
science team created him, they all remained on the project. But everyone else was let
go.

All other soldiers were either re-assigned or honorably discharged under strict
confidentiality; those who posed potential problems from either mental or emotional
instability from the event were sent to the brand new National Naval Medical Center
in Bethesda, Maryland. And others who showed an unwillingness to keep secret what
they had observed were sent to Portsmouth Naval Prison on charges of
insubordination (posing an immediate threat to National security).

Colonel, why not use Army facilities for these men?

I asked the same question to my self when I read this. The answer is because Bethesda
was brand new facility with a new staff of select individuals operating the most state-ofart
medical facility. And it had a novel system on how to handle psychiatric patients,
utilizing whatever means necessary to attain results. Portsmouth was used strategically
because of its close proximity. There may have been more, but this was all that I could
ascertain.

When the reassignments and disbanding was all said and done, according to the report
only two men were ever charged with anything, but almost no one was ever sent to
prison. But however several men from Muroc did end up at Bethesda.

What was happened at Dulce after the disbanding?

Once the new team was in place, they created a permanent facility on the upper level.
We would have begun to develop on the lower levels, but the potential for hostilities
remained, and quite frankly we had trouble integrating our equipment with their power
sources. They were too different. So we built up conventional means of power using
generators and the like for years until we finally learned how to tap into their sources.
Later when we refined our own nuclear methods, we implemented the use of compact
Micro-Reactors to power our facilities.

But back at the very beginning of this new phase, by the end of 1943, everything was
shifting in our favor. The linguistics experts had made a breakthrough with the tablets.
And with the ability to now translate the alien language, this inevitably shifted focus to
the equipment. And many new discoveries were being made upon attaining an
understanding of the alien language.

For instance, the blinking lighted cables found throughout the upper level were
discovered to be data transmission lines, using what we now call fiber optics. We also
learned that the ‘electronic typewriter and immense television screens’ were actually
alien workstations (predecessors to modern computers), and there were various types
of advance lab equipment (medical and scientific) that had been long abandoned by the
inhabitants.

All of these left idle for possibly hundreds of years. But for what reasons would remain
anyone’s guess for some time. It was much later on when we realized that it was due to
their inability to cope with the surface environment, especially the sun and the aridity
outside the caverns. When we postulated over why they didn’t move, the answer was
that they couldn’t. Their whole society is firmly established within the caverns and
recreating another similar area in a more preferable humid environment was no loner
an option for them. They’ve become victims to exposure over time, weakened and
dependant upon the systems they have in place. They can and do come out at night,
but conditions must be right, and it is only for a select few who can tolerate the surface.
We’ll get in to discussing the Greys a lot more, later. But for now I’m going to jump back
to details about the Facility.

So an expert engineering team was formed, and put to task on the equipment, trying to
make it all work. In each room, there were labels upon labels placed on every piece of
equipment to serve as translation. The engineering core spent two solid months
becoming experts in the alien language. They not only learned the alien alphabet and
numeral system, but the symbols as well.

You see, the alien language placed as much importance on its symbolization as the
alpha-numeric aspects of their language. There is a strong use of "ideograms" or
"hieroglyphs", characters that represent words. Lots of symbolism used throughout.
Thus, we learned so much of the language so quickly because they brought in three
linguistics experts, one from France and two from England who were renowned in their
ability to understand Sumerian cuneiform inscription. And without a doubt, this was in
fact cuneiform.

Using existing knowledge, they managed to make major breakthroughs. Lots of what
they found in the upper levels, on hundreds of metal sheets (tablets), those inscriptions
would serve as a primer creating a root base to unlock and translate the ancient
Mesopotamian tablets taken from abroad, giving clues to much about the inhabitants
and the earth’s ancient civilizations.

At first the translation devices (funded and created by the U.S. Army) and its team of
scientist, facilitated communication with the inhabitants; thus beginning the process of
sending couriers dangerously close to the 3rd level to deliver messages. Several
incidents involved short exchanges of hostility, but mostly out of posturing with no one
ever getting injured. After several months, permanent liaisons were stationed on levels
1 and 2 and regular communications were made. Immediately the inhabitants began to
make offers to create an accord with us. This would be for organic resources they
required, in exchange for segments of their technology. And this is when we first
learned that there was a biogenetic experimentation program taking place, for purposes
of sustaining their population.

We would come to learn much more about this later on. And not all aspects of this
work were acceptable to us. This was (and still is) one matter that had never been fully
resolved. But with the ability to now communicate we were able to make progress.
This ability to talk was indeed monumental.

Incidentally, the translation devices we created simply fascinated the inhabitants, the
Greys. Almost to the point where we felt their enthusiasm was over our primitive
attempt at communicating with them. And it was… Thus they slowly began to replace
our primitive devices with their own sophisticated translation technology.

Colonel, can you please elaborate on the relationship aspect?

Yes, relationships. This was a hard one for many to swallow. The fact that these things
are among us, and have a deeper and greater history than we do creates problems for
many. Understanding that while we, humanity, was in its infancy simply learning to talk
while at the same time these other advanced civilization were among us is a difficult
proposition to accept. Some people upon learning this new “truth” could never accept
it. You have to understand, what we learned down in those tunnels turned everything
we ever knew (or believed in) upside down regarding religion, geo-politics, and our so
called advances in science and technology.

Nothing was as it seemed any longer. Some men could take it for what it was worth,
and others fell apart. You needed to have a strong constitution and an ability to resolve
certain things with yourself, upon learning this new truth.

The truth being that we are not alone?

Yes, exactly. That we are not alone in this universe or on this planet; and that there is
intelligent life much like us living beneath the Mesa and walking, even working and
living among us right now. Do you really think that Humanity was willing to accept this
in 1943? Well, I can tell you right now that some of the strongest and firmly grounded
individuals I could have ever known fell apart.

You see, this “truth” held disastrous implications to those with strong religious beliefs.
It caused many good men to commit suicide, and many more to become insane from
their inability to grasp the enormity of the implications behind these revelations.

Between 1943 and 1945 the Dulce discovery would be officially classified, finally making
its way back to Washington under extreme prudence and secrecy to just a very small
select group of people. But even then, it still took planning and preparation before any
data left the tightest of inner circles within D.C.

In 1947 Secretary Forrestal (James Vincent Forrestal) was part of the original group of
men to learn “the truth”. Shortly thereafter, during 1948 and 1949 his physical
condition and mental stability steadily declined. Those around him commented on his
growing paranoia. I personally speculate that upon learning “the truth” he simply could
not resolve the new knowledge with his devout Catholic beliefs.

Imagine a man, who throughout his whole life believed in one strong religious doctrine
would later be told that much of what he knew really correlated to the events of an
alien societies interaction with humanity over tens of millennia? How do you think a
man like this would take such a message? Not very well, let me tell you.

In any event, the catalyst to his end came upon a meeting between him and Air Force
Secretary Stuart Symington. Something was said; something leaving the already
paranoid Forrestal emotionally devastated. Making him feel even more vulnerable …
augmenting his paranoia to knew heights.

On May 22nd 1949 at two o’clock in the morning Secretary Forrestal “fell to his death”
from a small window located on the 16th floor; at least that’s the official explanation,
but those who knew him well, they feel strongly that he jumped or was thrown to his
death.

Look, this story about Forrestal is well known, but the point is those who had trouble
dealing with this information paid a heavy price.

Did this sort of circumstance occur with any other high profile individuals?

Oh yes. There were others within the government who also met an unfortunate
demise. Today when I read papers from so-called UFO experts or listen to conspiracy
theorists talking about Dulce or the UFO phenomena, even about what (they think) they
know about aliens … well, I cannot help but ponder how wrong almost every one of
them is.

What intrigues me the most is that some of the people; the ones very close if not ‘exact’
in their facts about Dulce, who came forth, are now dead. And for me personally, I
sometimes wonder “how the hell did they know?” Were they at Dulce or Muroc during
1940? Were they a part of the operations leading up to 1979?

I wonder because no one except a very small group of people ever came close to being
correct about the truth. Why, because you had to have been there in one of a few
highly specialized capacities under an umbrella of classification. Even as far back as
1940 and during operations leading up to the 1979 event I investigated, not many
people inside the Dulce resource pool ever worked anywhere else for their entire career
after they were indoctrinated to that facility. Once you were there, that was it. Same as
with high profile jobs at LANL; where do you think they adopted this practice from?
This whole pattern of secrecy began with incidents like [83]
Aztec, Roswell, and Farmington, but which began with San Antonio.

San Antonio, Texas?

No. San Antonio, New Mexico. That’s where we first encountered the Grey’s ability to
perform flight. We had already established relations with the inhabitants, but the San
Antonio event is a key period in time that almost made the situation, and our
relationship, come to an abrupt end; over the concealment of their flight technology
from us.

You see, we had known about the advanced level of their technology from the Muroc
Expedition’s original discovery and subsequent excavations of equipment, but no one
had suspected that this was where any craft were being housed, and used. When we
detonated the atomic bomb at the Trinity Site, this triggered a whole slew of activity
which we had not anticipated from the inhabitants.

Immediately the very next month, we recovered and detained an Eloah, I mean a Grey,
among several others who were dead at a crash site; a crash which was spotted earlier
by a B-29 from nearby Alamogordo. After that event, everything changed with regards
to how we conducted engagement with the inhabitants.

Do you remember how I told you that in the 1950s we had been shocked at their ability
to resume flight?

Yes.

Well here is why… We later learned that it was our microwave based radar technology
that posed an extreme danger to their craft, causing what was described as a “reactive
electro-magnetic firing anomaly”. You can look up [88]
Project Diana if you want the

specifics on how that worked. But whatever this was, it triggered their craft’s internal
electrical systems to chain-react, compromising the structural integrity of the craft,
specifically their power source. That is what brought down the craft over San Antonio.
And the technology would lead to several more disastrous crashes.

Lightning, as many speculate, had nothing to do with the crashed ships recovered all
over New Mexico at that time. The inhabitants chose to fly during storms to remain
concealed from our Radar, but we always knew.

So until we could normalize relations with the Greys, we took an aggressive stance
against them, utilizing our Radar system as a weapon to prevent them from flying all
over the place causing panic. There were more incidents (crashes) that occurred in
Socorro, Roswell, Aztec and we recovered all of them; but not before them showing
their stubbornness and resolve with a damned air show above Farmington.

Colonel, what about Roswell, and are these the same beings who crashed in Roswell?

Yes, and Roswell was no lone accident. There were many occurrences throughout New
Mexico at the time, beginning just after we began our atomic development and testing.
And it was because of this that they began to fly about with regularity. It scared the hell
out of them that we had split the atom and created this devastating weapon. And yes,
these are the same beings recovered at Roswell.

But you also mentioned the Austra Albus. Do they have a role in this?

No. The Greys are responsible for all abductions, tracking implants, incidents of lost
time, crashes, and mutilations. The Austra Albus represent a human group now. These
are the elitist groups who run organizations that in turn run everyone else. You and me,
we are all their slaves, yet you probably don’t even realize it. But I’ll talk more about
them later.

Of course, let’s go back to when you were at Dulce.

Yes. Let me take you back to 1979, the whole reason why I was brought to Dulce in the
first place. We had arrived, the people were all about but contained so that we could
perform our job and let them go back to the surface via the LANL access point.
Remember, there had been a heavy altercation just 48 hours earlier and we had been
briefed on the plane, given lots of documentation on Dulce. We’d effectively learned
the history and operations of the facilities all at once. We were headed to TA-D1,
specifically the hangar on level 1 at the “Rio Arriba Scientific & Technological
Underground Auxiliary”.

After setting up a station in a room somewhat deeper into the facility but adjacent to
the hanger area, we began to take in people and conduct interviews; performing “the
initial”, following our regular protocol. We would administer the agent provided to us,
and to my god dammed surprise not a single person fought the pill. No one dared ask
what it was for, they just took it. That surprised the hell out of me. It was reported to
us that some contractors developed an acute stress reaction after taking the pill; it was
shock. So we knew then we had our work cut out for us.

[-Vod-]

The administered agent was a high dosage of propranolol hydrochloride, an agent to
help combat the effect of traumatic events such as what had just occurred in the Dulce
facility. No side effects were observed, so we conducted exit interviews accordingly and
by the second day (at mid day) we cleared everyone for release. The Lieutenant
Commander filmed every interview and made still photos of everything and everyone.
I remember noting that the security division watched our work very closely and
monitored our handling of the contractors. But aside from that we were thanked at the
end, and told that upon our return to our respective bases that we would be contacted.
We were there for two days; during breaks I would take walks, unescorted. I saw so
many rooms, labs, and I remember the corridors being exactly as how the 1940 Muroc
soldiers had described them in the briefing documents. But there were obvious
improvements, and none of the archeological type pictures I had drawn in my mind
were there any longer. No dusty machines, no alien symbols, no signs of anything.
Everything was brand new and nice.

There were Navy officers, Marines, Air Force and Army people crawling all over the
place. It seemed like Pentagon City. Everything was as it had been written about in the
briefing documents, but in the back of my mind all I wanted to see was an inhabitant. I
just had to see one of these beings.

A security division officer, who I had befriended earlier upon my arrival when I gave him
a cigarette, he took me aside and asked if I wanted to see the lower levels of the
installation. I guess he knew that I would probably never visit this facility again. But
because I was there, therefore meaning I was vetted and trustworthy, well he took me.
I was in disbelief because I was unsure if we would even be safe. But he seemed okay
with it, so I was too.

At first all I could see was this immense warehouse type area with round entrances
leading to corridors that seemed to be apart of the natural environment. The concrete
floors were polished so well that they almost seemed like glass. The floors were
amazing how they had this unbelievable reflective nature about them. I remember
thinking, why would they need floors like this? I mean, I’d never seen anything like it.
Hell, I wasn’t even sure they were made of concrete; I just assumed they were.
We approached one of the corridor entrances, one which was closed; several others
were opened, and from the long distance I swear I could see desert-like mirages on the
ground leading up to them. The heat emanating near the corridor entrances must have
been great. I was wondering if I’d even be able to withstand walking into one. And just
then, as if he knew what I was thinking, he told me to not worry about the heat; that the
corridor we were entering would have a lower and tolerable temperature. He also
warned me that what I was about to see would test my resolve, so now was the time to
change my mind if I had any reservations about going in.

He asked me, “Are you sure you want to go through with this?” I said yes. I told him
that I read the briefing documents and that I was sure of it.

As we approached the entrance, he spoke in to an intercom requesting entrance. They
responded asking him to swipe his card and to look into the camera. Using an access
card with a magnetic stripe, and allowing his face to be scanned, he opened the door.
Two large vertical doors pulled apart revealing a long dark cavern with an extreme low
level of lighting. Glowing in a muted but fluorescent lavender color there were lights
along the bottom and top areas of the wall.

The almost glass-like floors extended into the corridor. We passed many rooms that
were empty; I saw chairs, screens, and glass panes with writing on them – used like
chalk boards – the writing was in both English and in the Cuneiform script that I had
read of in the briefing documents. The writing appeared exactly like the samples I saw
in the report.

He said we had to walk about a quarter mile down the corridor, but once there we
would see something very interesting. He also said that by the time we were halfway
there, that ‘the inhabitants’ would know we were approaching. He told me to keep my
composure and to remain calm. He said that the best way to approach this was to do so
without any fear, and to think if this engagement under the premise of scientific
learning. “Just remain calm with whatever you see, okay?” he said to me. “It will be
worth it, trust me.” he continued saying.

He said that this corridor belonged to a group of non-combative inhabitants who chose
to live and operate on level one, under the full oversight of the human population. They
had forgone any rights to any treaties, signed years before, for the privileges and
benefits of working closely with the human contractors. He said they are called Greys.
Btu I knew that already from the reports I read.

He told me that there are no name designations, only Universally Unique Identifiers
called a UUID for each one of them. He said that because they do not use names, but
how the facility requires identification of all level 1, 2 and 3 workers, that they hired a
federal contractor with a software development team to develop a tracking system
specifically for the Greys. What they created was the ‘UUID’. It is a unique system
consisting of 32 hexadecimal digits, represented by 5 groups, concatenated using
hyphens; the sequence was 8-4-4-4-12 for a total of 36 characters; 32 digits and 4
hyphens. I thought to myself, “How does this guy remember all of this?”

For added security, the UUID is also coupled with a facial pattern recognition system
also using algorithms developed by … IBM. He pointed out that the corridors always
have two entrance systems, one depicting a Grey in silhouette and another depicting a
Human. He said that they use a bar code system which the UUID value is converted
into, thus allowing optical scanners to read them at the access points. The Greys also
have to go through facial recognition at each access panel.

Humans use the magnetic stripe card system, and the Greys use the bar coded system.
He says they have to, because the epidermis of the Greys possesses a magnetic quality
that wipes the cards clean.

So what I learned was that this one group of Greys represents the first dissident team to
have ever wandered up to level three requesting asylum from the others. You see,
there are four levels below three, 4-5-6 and 7. That is their domain. We do not ever go
down there.

He said that one thing we have learned over the years is that there is a definite
hierarchy down there and that they have a strict code of conduct amongst themselves,
enacting very severe laws punishable by death. We have found scores of dead Greys
discarded at the Level 3 entrances over the years, with marks of torture or by a single
blast wound to the head which must be their preferred method, or someone’s.

My guide continued to talk, “By the way, when the shit hit the fan a couple of days ago,
when the firefighting broke out in Level 3, these Greys were the first to fight back and
help us contain the situation. We know that we can trust them so we allow them to
carry their own weapons for security and protection against their opposition. We don’t
control their traffic, if they can sneak below to the lower levels and conduct business we
allow it. They seem to have connections down there for resources, materials, minerals,
etc. They have proven to us that they can be trusted, so that’s why we give them so
many liberties. These Greys do not ever perform work on humans or other Greys.
These Greys appear to simply be a scientific researcher contingent who limits their
studies to plants and a few select species of mammal, fish, reptile, birds and insects.”
As we walked, he stopped and looked me and asked me a question, “Do you think you
can guess what animal they use the most?” I responded, “Monkeys?”
He replied, “Are you serious, is that what you think, monkeys? No, they like mice.
Almost 90% of their work revolves around the use of lab mice. Hell, we were a bit
surprised when we learned they ate them.”

I asked, “They eat the mice?” to which he responded, “Well it’s not really eating as
much as it is extracting proteins from the mammary glands. They’ve created a specific
line of transgenic mice, able to produce proteins free of contaminants which they
consume as food. We’ve seen them do it. They take the extractions concentrate them
into a powder form, and mix it with purified acid casein and kappa-casein made from
cow’s milk.”

I didn’t know what to say. I just stood there unable to think past the picture in mind.
He went on, “They did this for several years, but a short while back they also began to
create other lines of protein producing animals, because the mice producers are limited
to just the females, as male mice do not have nipples. They prefer to extract the higher
concentrations of glandular proteins from the nipples or nipple area. Again, we simply
don’t know why that is, and there are lots of other areas about the Greys that we are
still learning.”

I couldn’t help myself, “You mean Grey areas?” I quipped with a smile. “Funny…” he
responded. We had finally made it to the entrance of a room; after looking in the
camera and swiping his card the door opened. He politely knocked on the wall allowing
whoever was in there to know that we had arrived.

I could immediately sense a level of respect coming from the officer towards the
resident of this room. As we walked in he told me to not touch anything, and to try to
remain calm and collected. The room was long and thin, there was lab equipment
everywhere. Two lines of metal tables separated by glass panes going down the middle;
these were writing surfaces much like a whiteboard. I could see that these glass writing
surfaces were heavily used.

I cold not believe what I was seeing. The glass was completely transparent, appearing
normal, meaning you could see through the glass. But the writing from the other side
would not show through on this side, and it was the same from this side. Some how the
writing would only show on the side of the glass it was being written on; unbelievable
technology I thought, and obviously not ours. The same glowing purplish light from the
corridor was also used in the room. The lighting was very low, even the computer
screens had low lighting.

Keep in mind that this was 30 years ago, there were no PCs or Macs, but this room had
flat panel screens, and technology so advanced that it look like what I can only describe
as laptops, specifically Tablet PC technology.

Anyhow, the officer had gone ahead of me as I lingered near the entrance. A few
minutes later he came back with a 4 foot tall Grey dressed in a white lab coat. He had a
black lanyard worn around his neck with a bar code on it. I couldn’t believe it. There
was damned IBM logo right there in front of that badge; I know this sounds stupid, but
that damned logo made that whole visit just seem totally surreal. One would never
think that something so well known, something so heavily branded would be tied to
something so alien.

I then realized that I was focusing on the damned badge and not the Grey. My heart
was pounding. I am sure that my actions were seen as rude. The officer must have
noticed it as he quickly called out to me as if to wake me from a dream, “Major!?”
I snapped out of it. I composed myself and extended my hand to greet the Grey. He
simply nodded his head and made a clicking sound. “There is no need to shake hands
with Greys, they don’t get the gesture” the officer informed me. “Nodding politely is
what they prefer; in fact they do not like to be touched.”

Just then the officer held up a slim writing apparatus, “We communicate using these
pads which can translate our languages into theirs; you can choose to see script on the
pad viewer, and it can also output the translated language via audio; in English, French,
Spanish, Chinese, Russian, and many other languages.”

I looked at the pad and saw that it resembled a slimmed down version of an etch-asketch.
Expect it was black, very shiny and had a keyboard on a lighted glass screen. I’d
never seen anything like this before. I watched as the officer would type in a question
and out would come a phonetic representation of his query in the clicking language
made by the Grey. This was simply unbelievable.

I looked for an IBM logo, but there wasn’t anything of the sort. No, this was their
technology; it was just far too advanced for us to have created at the time.
It makes you wonder just where the hell all the advanced technology we use today
comes from, right? Well guess what … I would later learn that all the technological
innovations seen in this supposed great exponential shift in humans would come
directly from the Greys themselves.

Have you ever heard of Phil Corso?

Philip J. Corso … Lieutenant Colonel Corso? Of course I have. I read his book.

Well it was Corso who was in charge of the extraction of technologies for purposes of
reverse engineering. All of it, coming from all the recovered ships/craft at crash sites,
and from the artifacts we recovered from the Greys during the Muroc Expedition. Fiber
optics, integrated circuits, laser technology, and the jump directly into “GEN II” night
vision allowing us to discard all earlier and antiquated image intensifier technologies
which we made on our own.

People argue over his claims, like Night Vision, that’s bullshit, and he was right. GEN II
night vision, specifically SUPERGEN, is what directly resulted from what we learned
through the Greys. Not the damned night vision devices being developed by the
German Army in 1939. Please listen, and please listen closely because this has to come
through correctly.

The powers-that-be are conducting a successful campaign through disinformation, lies
and by maintaining a tight grip on the truth about certain technological advances (we)
have made. And they are keeping this truth away from the general public; How? By
effectively painting Col. Philip J. Corso as a liar when I know he wasn’t a liar, as does the
Department of Defense who knows he isn’t a liar. I read the truth; I saw the very
records that prove he was telling the truth. So just let me clarify two things up front for
you, and get them straightened out once and for all.

Let’s talk Night Vision first, since everyone claims that he was lying about that
admission. It was from the Greys, that we learned what a "micro channel plate" was.
And it was from the Greys that we learned what the numerous physical principles of
“micro channel plate” operation were.

They showed us, in a lab, at Dulce, exactly how to use the interaction of photons in a
channel of a “micro channel plate” to produce a ‘charge pulse’ of electrons, and how to
couple plates together making an “x-ray image intensifier”; and yes, this is technology
that we later made ourselves, but mainly through the use of Grey technology. Corso
was not even involved at this point!

So back in the late 1957 we had already made working prototypes; and this technology
which the world thinks came about in 1970s, was actually already in existence and in
use by special military units and intelligence operatives all of who were under strict
orders of confidentiality. We were already there. Corso knew that our Night Vision
technology had rapidly advanced and that it wasn’t done through human ingenuity and
hard work.

And just how did Corso know about this? That is because when he was appointed as
head of the Foreign Technology desk of Army R&D, it was his primary job to pay visits to
the Greys, and to pressure them for information on their technology.
But prior to Corso it was Frank Wisner, Sr. (OSS, CIA) who was in charge of dealing with
the Greys. His real OSS specialty, aside from propaganda, was dealing with ex-Nazi’s to
attain their technology; much in the same manner as he did with the Greys. He was
already conditioned for the role.

And it was Wisner’s team that realized the Grey eye-coverings gave them the ability to
see at night, that’s what prompted the rapid development of SUPERGEN. Army R&D
abandoned German ingenuity regarding Night Vision at that exact moment. We leaped
ahead of the Germans with regards to this technology at that point.

I don’t know why, but Wisner committed suicide in 1965 using one of his three sons’
shotguns, and he was buried at Arlington as a naval commander, his wartime rank. And
any real reason behind Frank Wisner Sr.’s suicide has never been provided. But why was
Wisner involved with Greys?

You need to ask yourself this, “Just how did Wisner Sr. get his position as the initial
negotiator with the Greys?” The answer is simple; he already knew of the Greys well
before the Muroc expedition had ever made their 1940 discovery. The apples don’t fall
from the tree, and now Wisner’s eldest son, a well known CIA operative himself also has
ties (very close) to this whole Grey affair; in fact, strong speculation out of our
intelligence is that one strain of the Wisner line from Germany is Austra Albus
(Illuminati).

And a solid clue to the reality of the Wisner family being an Illuminati lineage is this,
Wisner Jr. (the eldest son) is a Trustee of the ‘Rockefeller Brothers Fund’ (An
organization created and run by members of the Rockefeller family … known Illuminati.)
And he is also a member of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR).

In 1959 Wisner was sent to London, and for two years there was no real dialogue with
the Greys until Corso arrived in 1961. Another Corso tidbit is this … Project Horizon was
not a feasibility study to live on the moon. It was a plan to recover Grey technology on
the bases already there, which they created thousands of years earlier before having to
abandon them. Our astronauts can tell you all about this, because they’ve seen the
Grey bases on the moon. And yes, Corso had direct involvement with Project Horizon.
So, beginning with San Antonio when we recovered dead Greys in these damned
wonderful little biological suits that they wore, we hit pay dirt all over New Mexico. The
suits in addition to their craft (in pieces mostly) gave us Grey technology in our hands.
And the suits had more technology integrated to them, which had practical military
application; and they held more importance than most any of the things we discovered
except maybe their downed craft. If you are wondering how we got our hands on so
much, it was the microwave bursts from our Radar which was devastating to their flying
disc technology.

So, the DoD naturally, and desperately wanted all of this technology. So we pressured
them for answers through exchanges for the natural resources they required. And when
they refused, we shut them down, refusing to allow them any access to the surface
using their craft for their life sustaining work conducted at night. And yes, we had that
level of control after the hostilities in 1940; we still do, especially when we realized just
how small their numbers were. So with the knowledge and the aggressive posturing,
after a while like always, they acquiesced to our demands.

And it was through the same eye coverings integrated with their suits that we first
noticed the assemblages of what we now understand as an “integrated circuit”.
And please try to understand this clearly … nothing on this planet even came close to
what you and I both know now as an integrated circuit at that time in history. Nothing
like that existed; and vacuum tubes and transistors were as far as we could take our
computing. This was well known that at that time there were severe limitations on
ideas. And the lie that it was us who invented this technology is nothing but a fierce
challenge from both the Private Sector interests heavily supported by the Department
of Defense.

Why else do you think it took 42 years to award Kilby the Nobel Prize? Is it a
coincidence that it came at the same time that rumblings had begun with Corso’s book
just THREE years earlier? Of course it is, and here is the reason why:
Beginning in 1955 the DoD began planning who from the Private Sector would gain
access to the Grey metalloid based circuitry designs. At the top of the list were two
known experts in this area; two men who had already shown an eagerness and an
aptitude to move away from transistor technology and over to something else
altogether. The two selected were Jack Kilby and Robert Noyce.

Jack Kilby was chosen while he was still working for Centralabs. That is right; Kilby was
at Centralabs when first contacted by the DoD. You see, Centralabs already held a
private contract with Army R&D to advance the demand for miniaturization of our
electronics. The problem was that they lacked the resources to accomplish this feat.
But they had the talent. So Kilby was simply told to move on to Texas Instruments
where a Black Budget Project had already been firmly established by Army Research and
Development.

At this same time, the DoD also approached Robert Noyce who was at Shockley
Semiconductor and together they architected a special program under the oversight of
Army Research and Development, for a promised mysterious technological
advancement in circuitry design; to which Noyce agreed. Immediately thereafter Noyce
and seven others left Shockley Semiconductor and created Fairchild Semiconductor.
Together, the most critical part of the increasing demand for miniaturization of our
electronics would be solved. Army R&D would give them the documents detailing how
specific metalloids within the carbon group, when using an oscilloscope could show a
constantly varying signal voltage (a continuous sine-wave); thus proving that a newer
better technology existed. A Grey technology far more advanced than anything we have
ever developed.

The Greys showed us that it was within our technological grasp, and that the resources
they also used came from our very planet. So should we choose to develop it, they
would facilitate the direction. And we did… Jack Kilby and Robert Noyce were both
shared the data from Army R&D. It was not a race, but the decision to allow two
entities to perform the engineering on this Grey technology was critical. Because the
DoD did not want it in the hands of only one Private Sector entity; and that decision was
right.

Don’t believe for a second that his work did not involve what we could get through the
exchanges and sometimes heavy pressure under our accord with Greys. All of our early
knowledge was facilitated through recoveries from the many crash sites. Philip J. Corso
was a hero and we should all be thanking him for his disclosure else we’d still be using
slide rules or pocket calculators and digital watches.

And it was the Greys who introduced us to the concept of large scale network
computing. They gave us the innovative concepts which led to the development of our
supercomputers, the internet and so many other technological advancements which
came directly from their technology and uses of their technology.

And finally, it was the Greys who educated us on how to employ the infrared
electromagnetic spectrum for wireless communications. Everything that we learn from
the Greys gets trickled down into specific academic research institutions at the same
time as being sent to various private sector R&D facilities; just like Corso said it
happened. And together, they produce all the nice little technologies we now have
become accustomed to in our everyday lives, and take for granted.

In any event, welcome to the digital Age; and thank you very much Mr. Corso.
Incredible … This is going to put a whole new light on Corso, his claims and the
arguments that people have made against him. What you just said is going to force
experts to rethink this whole technological paradigm.

Yes they are, and because it is the truth. Let them dig deeper; let them find more
truths. There are many, right there in plain view waiting to be discovered.

Colonel, what else can you tell me about the Greys you met?

Well I’ve only told you about one, but do you remember the Grey I mentioned?

Yes.

He is 600 years old. And from what we gather he is a young adult by their standards. In
fact, many of the dissidents are young adolescent Greys. We feel that this youth
movement is what propels them to dissent and take on newer and opposing views with
concern to their doctrine.

Also, the officer who was introducing us at the time, to my amazement told the Grey
that I would soon be joining DSD-3 and that he should learn to recognize me. I was
completely caught off guard, concerned but flattered while thinking, “What the hell is
DSD-3.”

The Grey typed furiously with one hand on the pad and out came the words, “Good,
welcome to TA-D1.” The voice coming from the pad sounded so natural and even
picked up on human inflections which I found amazing. Again, these beings were ahead
of the curve on everything technological. I kept thinking, if this Grey were to have a
name, it should have been “Sparkplug” by virtue of the fact that this creature was all
over that room moving from table to table and writing while multi-tasking and at a
furious pace.

As I watched the Grey work, I remember thinking that I didn’t know what DSD-3 was nor
did I know of the officer was just posturing to the Grey, telling him what he needed to
hear, to allow our meeting to occur. So I just went with it and paid close attention to
the officer. We walked further into the recesses of the room and the two of them
began talking about something as I just gazed at everything in quite a stupor.
I became fearful that I would forget everything that I was seeing as my mind began to
seem to shut down at times, but days later it all came back to me, thankfully so and I
wrote it all in my journal.

Colonel you mentioned DSD-3 at the beginning of our interview and you mention it
again now. What is DSD-3?

DSD-3 simply stands for ‘Dulce Security Division’ with the numeral 3 indicating three
branches of military assigned to the special security unit (USAF, U.S. Army, U.S. Navy).
DSD-3 represents an elite group of highly trained soldiers and military specialists who
operate both installation security and administration.

No marines?

Hell yes there are Marines. But they fall under the Navy Proxy. The marines are a
separate service branch within the Department of the Navy, but even though they
remain fully separate with their own distinct Chain of Command, the Secretary of
the Navy still oversees the both the Navy and the Marines.

So at Dulce, any marines that are there … are there via the same proxy under the
“Deputy for Navy” at the nearby White Sands Missile Range (WSMR) just like the Navy
contingent. And the marines at Dulce, also come directly from the ‘China Lake Naval
Weapons Center’ over in Ridgecrest, California. So there is no DSD-4, just DSD-3; but
hell, it is just a name any way.

And there is no relation at all to the Defense Intelligence Agency’s DSD-3 which is their
“General Military Intelligence Support Division”. No relation.

Can you tell me about how DSD-3 came about?

Sure. DSD-3’s history is an interesting one, because this is one of the most powerful
intelligence and security divisions in the entire world.

Initially this group was to be an arm of the CIA acting under Agency oversight; however
high-up personnel at the DoD decided that too many infiltrators were known to already
exist within the CIA. And the Dulce facility, with its super secretive nature just could not
be compromised under any circumstance whatsoever. So per a charter between the CIA
and Department of Defense, DSD-3 reports to ‘no one’.

By design, their oversight is now an intrinsic system that allows absolute total control
over its personnel, and all facets of Dulce facility’s operations. They do this by creating
an impenetrable layer of advanced secretive systems and strict protocols. No one has
ever been effective in cracking DSD-3’s code of operation, because you never know who
is an informant, or an observer working behind the facade of being a member of the
elite security division.

Their reach and influence in the global intelligence community is very powerful. And
although DSD-3 places it focus solely on Dulce, it is more than just a security force
because they are held with the responsibility of maintaining the world’s biggest secret,
at any means necessary. So it should be of no surprise that they also sponsor various
intelligence operations (domestic and global) to suppress all information about the
Dulce facility. They also regularly espouse disinformation.

Does the President know about DSD-3 or Dulce?

No. With the president cleared up to “Top Secret - Crypto 17” level access, he would
not have access to any knowledge about Dulce. Just like Area 51, the Dulce facility is so
much more heavily classified than your typical black budgeted location. It is beyond the
reach of the presidential administration, and in reality there are just a few ‘very unique’
scenarios that would ever involve the President even having to know about Dulce or
DSD-3.

Scenarios like in the movie “Independence Day”?

I never saw it, so I do not know what you mean.

It doesn’t matter. Colonel, how deep is our understanding of the inhabitants, and do
we know where they come from originally?

Initially everything came from our ability to translate the tablets, their writings. And
today we have confirmation from the Greys themselves.

So according to the Grey historical writings, they tell us that the Progenitor race came
from another star system, Sirius. Their home world was destroyed, and in finding an
new home, Mars was the closest to their own planet. They came here. Mars was the
original place inhabited by them within our own solar system, but choosing Mars was
proved to be a major miscalculation.

After a cataclysmic event caused by an asteroid, it nearly exterminated the Progenitors;
something had also left them sick and vulnerable to the surface environment there on
Mars which had been permanently changed by the impact. Fortunately with their
technology being so advanced, they managed to leave Mars before completely dying
away.

They had lived for several thousand years underground on Mars before leaving for lack
of resources and the dying caused by the changed atmosphere. So they ended up here,
except Earth was not an ideal location to suit their physiology; so for eons they had
corrected their genome which unfortunately for them had left them weakened and with
fewer numbers.

The Progenitors knew they were dying so they created offspring, before dying. And
their offspring did the same before they too died. The last group and Greys are all that
remain. The Progenitor lineage is now almost all human. But the Greys are another
matter all together.

The Greys have always possessed an innate inability to reproduce; by design from the
progenitors to ensure they never grow too large or powerful.

Everything must be done artificially in a lab. The Greys are pieced together using scant
genetic materials, having to renew every several decades or so, forced to produce
artificially and subsist off of the protein solutions they make from mammals.

We know that the Austra Albus thrive, up on the surface, and have successfully
interbred with Humans creating an elitist group of humans spanning many cultures and
races throughout the world, but mostly with ties to Western European countries.
Colonel what about Reptilians? I ask because there is so much written about
Reptilians with respect to Dulce.

I’ve never seen a Reptilian. But with all that I have witnessed and come to learn over
the years I can tell you that the possibility for sightings of reptile like creatures is not
without the possibility of being real.

Why is that?

In an obscure Grey historical writing it states that a Grey sub-species which possessed
reptilian traits, called the Scimitor once existed to serve as a soldier caste, but that they
are now extinct.

Scimitor; what does mean?

We do not know. The closest we can figure is that it is a loose translation of a scimitar
which is a curved blade. But even the word scimitar has unknown origins, which is again
intriguing in itself.

It says these Scimitor were normal Eloah (Greys) modified through a battery of biogenetic
splicing experiments. The outcome of which led to a bigger stronger and equally
as intelligent group of Greys to contend with. And that was a real problem. Also, it says
their outer epidermis was successfully designed to be transparent, covering a layer of
controllable unique cell formations that had special pigment properties. This allowed
them a unique and special ability.

Like a Chamelon?

Exactly; they could assume the color of their surroundings and become invisible to the
untrained eye.

But the problem was that with the very limited resources on hand to sustain the
dwindling and weakening Grey population; having a newer larger, stronger and equally
intellectually capable group to contend with was not what they had envisioned. So this
program was ended immediately to the dismay of some.

Who objected?

We believe that the Dissident Greys objected; simply because they knew that someone
had to be able to make it to the surface and not succumb to the deadly levels of the
Sun’s electromagnetic radiation that could easily kill a normal Grey. This was the first
step of reaching that Goal. The Scimitor, although stronger, were still susceptible to the
Sun’s affects as well. But even the Dissident Greys after time had passed realized that
the Scimitor posed a dangerous threat to them as well.

What is intriguing about this is that although the writings say the Scimitor are now
extinct, the dissident Greys who work with us up on Level One, say that the lower level
Greys have been secretly trying for decades to recreate the Scimitor sub-species.,
beginning when the humans took control of the underground complex.

What makes matters worse, is that some Greys have dormant recessive genes which
hold the traits of the Scimitor (some of them) … and from these they have tried to
resurrect the extinct soldier caste.

But according to some of the Greys we work with, there has been little to no success
that they know of. And there are too many problems with the existing genetic code to
make a reemergence a reality.

I know that there has been so much speculation on a Reptilian presence, and I’m sorry
to disappoint, but there simply were no Reptilians at Dulce. Although … I do know of
one possibility based on recent intelligence; which is that the newer darker element is
now working with the lower level Greys in TA-D3 to recreate these beings as Ultimate-
Soldier; a part of the ongoing ‘Black Bio-Genetic Programs’ being conducted there now.

But my knowledge extends to that of the Greys and the Austra Albus. As for reptilians…
could there be Reptilians? Sure, but I have no knowledge beyond the one tablet that
mentions the Scimitor. Sorry.

How did you learn of the Scimitor?

DSD-3 needed to know of there was ever at anytime in the Grey history any groups or
types of fighting castes that represented a threat to the control structure we had.
Researching what the Greys were capable of was important. A search result in the DSD-
3 historical repository, a database which holds copies of every known tablet discovered,
turned up only one historical reference to any type of solider amongst them; the
Scimitor.

I only ask because so many people connect Dulce with Reptilians. Colonel, can you go back to telling me anything more of the Grey’s and Austra Albus’ history; origins?

The Grey historical writings tell us that the Progenitor race is of alien origin.
We learned that the Anu was created first by the Progenitors before the progenitors
died off; unable to cope with Earth’s environment. The Progenitors also chose to create
the Elaoh (Greys) at this same time, to serve the Anu and to oversee the human slave
populations.

When the Anu became sick, they created the Austra Albus … the last direct lineage of
the Progenitors; however, as I explained before, now they exist as an Alien-Human
hybrid species. This occurred when they too (Austra Albus) began to die; so to survive
they genetically modified early humans, and then interbred with them to sustain their
lineage.

The Eloah (Greys) are a complete alien genetic creation of the Progenitor species, a
mutant sub-species with NO Progenitor DNA. They were created by using genetic
material from the Progenitor home world and biological life forms discovered along the
way here; to our solar system. Later, here on Earth, the Greys themselves augmented
their genome with earth based Animal, Insect and even human genetics to try to remain
alive. All attempts to incorporate human genetics failed in horrendous genetic
mutations, so we know for certain that for years there were no Grey/Human hybrids,
only Austra-Albus/Human hybrids … until now.

The intelligence we’ve been receiving says that the Black Bio-Genetic Programs at TA-D3
are successfully creating Grey/Human hybrids of a devastating and dangerous nature.
This is one reason I am telling you all of this. It cannot continue to happen; else we shall
all pay serious consequences of such development.

When we studied everything about the inhabitant’s history, we noticed how there was a
pervasive and cyclical pattern of evidence connecting them back to our own history;
evidence that kept pointing the inhabitants back to both ancient Sumer and to an
unknown earlier human civilization that predated anything the ancient Sumerians knew
of. Thousands and thousands of years ago there was even once a huge human
civilization who worshiped the Greys and not the Progenitors; who subsequently were
wiped out by the Progenitor offspring (Austra Albus); who became very jealous Gods.
Does that sound Familiar? It should. We have Archeological Researchers and
Theologians trying to make correlations to our earliest known histories using this new
data. And you know what? They are finding out some amazing things.

But Anthony, it was your work in particular which propelled me to contact our mutual
friend and get us introduced. In your blog you covered human-alien hybridization and
key historical references to ancient times predating known history. My work on the
Greys has led me to seek out works by experts who’ve made colorations close to what
many facts are from the known Grey history. And I like what you put together.

Is that why you sought me out, because you know of my work on Human Origins?

Yes, but more to point the Alien-Human hybridization. And if what some of what I am
saying sounds like your work, this is exactly why I sought you out. Our mutual friend, he
and I often share data, and when he showed me your work, I realized that you were the
first one to accurately piece all the data together as best as I could understand, and
equivalent to what our own people know from the Greys.

Your work is partly what drove me to do this. At one point I thought you must have
been at Dulce and had worked on this project, but now I know that you just got your
and others data to correctly match up (very closely) to the accuracy of the Dulce
historians who studied the Greys.

So … you ask me, “How deep our understanding of the inhabitants truly goes?”
Well, it is very deep and comprehensive indeed. The stories told across this globe from
artifacts and writings such as the Sanskrit Vedas, the Dead Sea Scrolls, among others …
they all tell us that these people (beings) have been known to the earliest vestiges of
modern humanity for as long as 200,000 years now.

Look at your own work. The Dogon people of West Africa descended from ancient
Egyptian lineages, who in turn descended from the other ancient Near East cultures;
and what all these people retained and described over the tens of thousands of years
are the same ‘entities’ who we find in all of our early writings across the globe.

And now with our new world, with its exponential level of advancement in technology
and weapons, everything has changed as a result; geo-politically, religiously, and even
societal. But to the U.S. government and the military, none of that history matters. Not
really. They, the inhabitants, need us and in turn, we use them. It is that simple.

And those people who struggled to grasp the enormity of this discovery, and its religious
implications, they are silenced, period. No gaps allowed in the secrecy or security of
Dulce. Nothing less than full cooperation was (and still is) acceptable over this subject.
No second chances for the weak.

Just remember what happened to Secretary Forrestal. Once underground, “no one is
safe”; metaphorically speaking.

Colonel, can you get me any copies of the Grey historical writings; is that possible?

No; I am sorry that is impossible. Everything is at Wright Patterson AFB in the Vault.

The last person to see the tablets was …

(At this point the Colonel startled by some noise coming from outside the remote
residence stopped talking at stood up. He reached behind his chair and produced a
pistol. I too was startled at that point. He motioned to remain quite as walked to the
window to peer outside. He spent at least 30 seconds looking towards where our cars
were parked. He then turned around and said to me, “It was nothing…” We then sat
back down and resumed our conversation. He placed the pistol on the table this time.
For some reason I felt secure knowing he had the gun. Still startled I forgot the last
segment of our conversation, and looked to my notes jumping to the next question I had.
But thankfully later on I would learn more about Wright Patterson AFB and ‘The Vault’.)

Is there anyone who you felt really knew about the Dulce facility, other than yourself?

Oh yes. Two people I knew of held real facts about Dulce, to some extent. They were
Paul Bennewitz and Phil Schneider. The problem is, is that they are both dead
now.

Schneider fabricated and elaborated on his true level of involvement, but he was there.
I knew he was there because he had certain details right; things only few people would
know about. And although he elaborated about his involvement during the 1979 event,
the man was truthful of many elements in his story; although, lots of areas he discussed
were complete fabrications. He lied and I do not know why; possibly as a means of
protection by distorting some facts, yet allowing other facts to come out with super
accuracy? I just do not know. Phil was a hard one to figure out.

And Bennewitz at the very least was a simply a god damned genius caught up in a
twisted web of truth and lies leading to his death. You see, his research was truly
ingenious, netting him real results. And quite frankly, in one way or another he was just
simply too close to the truth. And unfortunately it is why he ended up institutionalized
for paranoia before dying.

What can you tell me about Bennewitz?

I personally performed a parallel investigation of Paul from the time I joined DSD-3. The
AFOSI was not the only group concerned with his discoveries. We knew of Bennewitz
because he was partly to blame over the 1979 incident. It was his interception of Grey
communications that led to fierce speculation and condemnation from the lower level
Greys leading to an atmosphere of greater distrust and anger towards the Dissident
Greys and DSD-3. Before my retirement in 1983 and before the dark element infiltrated
Dulce, there was a great level of tension over the activities of the Lower Level Greys,
and the cooperation between the Dissidents and DSD-3.

From the public perspective, everything that is known about Dulce, the whole myth
surrounding the Deep Underground Military Base there, comes directly from
Bennewitz’s personal investigations. But since that time, people have created these
crazy ideas, and subsequent stories that are completely false. But Bennewitz was the
real deal… he was a talented scientist and engineer in very many respects. He owned
Thunder Scientific Corporation, a company which manufactured high-altitude testing
equipment. And with his scientific background, it was natural that he was a highly
curious individual, but for him it involved UFO and eventually Alien research.

So in 1979 when he began researching unexplainable incidents near Kirtland Air Force
Base, no one thought much of it. Not until he began observing and filming unidentified
objects with strange light patterns departing with regularity from various areas near
Kirtland Air Force Base and the Manzano Test Range; objects of which would fly off in
the direction of Coyote Canyon, and over Sandia National Laboratories and Phillips Laboratory.

In probably which was his biggest mistake, Bennewitz contacted both Kirtland Security
Police and AFOSI (Air Force Office of Special Investigations) garnering a strong interest
from both in what he was doing. Surprisingly, data from independent investigations
showed that base personnel were corroborating much of Bennewitz’s data. Before
long, Sandia representatives and additional USAF officers became involved to further
investigate Bennewitz’s films and documentation, all of which was sent to Wright-
Patterson AFB. During the interim, while all of that was going on, Bennewitz continued
to investigate area UFO phenomena through his role as an investigator with APRO
(Aerial Phenomenon Research Organization) an amateur UFO research group.

That too was a mistake on his part, which I’ll get to in a minute. But first I need to tell
you about how Bennewitz and a psychologist had been researching a story in which a
woman (Myrna Hansen) claimed that on May 5th 1980, she and her six year old son had
witnessed several UFOs descend while driving on a rural road in northeastern New
Mexico, near Cimarron to the east of Dulce. She reported missing time of four hours
and a vague recollection of being abducted.

The psychologist conducted hypnosis over a three month period, during which a very
unusual story emerged. The woman recounted how she not only had seen these UFOs
descend during the drive on that rural road, but how she had witnessed cattle being
abducted; even more strange was how she also recounted how both she and her son
had also been abducted by small aliens and then separated on to two ships.
During their abduction she claimed that they had both been taken to a secret
underground facility where they saw the cattle being subjected to mutilation and
drained of their blood. She said that she managed to escape briefly, ending up in a
room which held various numbers of vats containing what appeared to be human body
parts. In addition, she also said that implants were placed underneath the skin of her
and her son, and how the aliens held the ability to control their thoughts through these
devices.

She described being dragged out of the area she had found, with both her and her son
later being subjected through a painful process involving loud noises and very bright
strobe lights, before they were taken back aboard a UFO and flown back to the very site
where the abduction occurred.

[-Vod-]

If this sounds familiar … Like you have heard this story before; possibly over and over
again … it is because this is the first ever recounting of any events which detail activities
known about the biogenetic experimentation occurring within Dulce. Al of this coming
about because of Bennewitz’s involvement with the Hansen case and his own work on
tracking the UFOs and detecting signals and live communication from what he believed
was the Dulce facility. Of which he was correct.

Because of his research on the UFO activity, and the stories of mutilations, abductions
and implants, etc. we now have the basis for every single Dulce Base story that ever
emerged about the Facility; and them some. And it should be noted that both Hansen
and Bennewitz were giving true accounts of what actually happened. I verified this
myself in the DSD-3 electronic archival system.

Bennewitz believed Hansen’s story and theorized that the implants were used to
communicate, not control them. In addition to that, he further believed that there was
a connection to the UFOs he had been filming near Kirtland AFB. There was.
If you look at a map of New Mexico, you can see a triangle which covers this whole
hotbed of activity over the years. Point one is Holloman AFB in the southern region
along with White Sands, then you go east to Kirtland AFB, that’s point number two. And
finally, you go to the very tip of the north western corner of the state and you have the
Desert High-Terrain of Farmington, Aztec and Dulce; there’s point number three. What
you get is a triangle that encompasses Roswell, Socorro, San Antonio, Los Alamos and
everywhere else where the majority of abduction activity has taken place over the
years.

Is this a coincidence? No. Paul Bennewitz knew the history of the down UFO crashes,
and that’s why he began tracking these events. He was beginning to make people
understandably nervous over at Kirtland AFB and within DSD-3 at Dulce. The
intelligence was coming in fast, but handling it was another matter. And of course,
everything turned against Bennewitz when AFSOI learned that he began to construct
low-frequency electromagnetic receivers that could intercept transmissions coming
from the UFOs he sighted. When he went back to the Air Force with his technology, and
new research, the AFSOI decided to refuse investigating the matter any further. But
that was a ruse as they desperately wanted his equipment.

Bennewitz thinking it may be over, continued to move forward by sending in reports to
ARPO. He also sent letters to various U.S. Senators … and … to ‘John Lear’ a highly
decorated Pilot and himself a renowned investigator of both UFOs and conspiracy
theories. ARPO would later assign a person named Bill Moore to conduct interviews
with Bennewitz. Bennewitz would eventually detail much of his research to Moore,
discussing the various films he took, the times and dates of sightings, plus the
intercepted transmissions and messages he decoded with high levels of detail; and he
would also tell how he believed that there were two alien species working deep inside
of a subterranean facility located underneath the Archuleta Mesa … constructed
through an accord with the U.S. government. He was right. Somehow, not knowing the
language, the circumstances, etc. he picked up on the fact that there were two groups
of Greys operating in Dulce.

However, what was unknown to Bennewitz was that Bill Moore was inserted through
ARPO via proxy from the Air Force Office of Special Investigations to disseminate
disinformation in order to redirect Bennewitz away from USAF research being
conducted at that time, Project Starlight, and because his work was leading him right to
the answers he sought; compromising the Dulce facility secrecy. Before DSD-3 could
take any action, we realized that AFOSI had already made enough inroads to misinform,
create paranoia and deter him from further investigation. Plus his company was
threatened; and that was something he knew he could not allow to be compromised.
He loved his company.

Thunder Scientific Corporation?

Yes.

What happened with Bill Moore?

Bill Moore, at the 1989 MUFON (Mutual UFO Network) meeting in Las Vegas, stated
publicly that he was an AFOSI recruit, charged to redirect and inundate Bennewitz with
false information. Moore’s admission pretty much shocked everyone in the UFO
research community. And his admission also caused concern over the prevalence of
potential covert government infiltration of groups like both APRO and MUFON.
Anyhow, after this … Bennewitz became unstable with paranoia and had to be
hospitalized until he died on June 23, 2003. He wasn’t sleeping; he’d be awake around
the clock, until it took its toll on him and he died.

The point is this … everything you now see on the internet regarding Dulce comes
directly from Bennewitz and his original UFO research. He used his scientific
background and engineering expertise to make accurate discoveries of UFOs, the Dulce
Facility communications, and the Grey population, which prompted concern from both
AFOSI and DSD-3.

So Bennewitz is responsible for originating the myth behind the Dulce facility, I get
that now; but where does Phil Schneider fit in?

Well, whereas Bennewitz began to suspect accurately that there was an underground
installation with an Alien presence … Phil Schneider had actually been there.
When Schneider surfaced in the mid 1990s on the lecture circuit, I waited before
seeking him out because I had to be sure about this person who was talking openly
about his time at Dulce. You have to understand. From my perspective and the
perspective of DSD-3, he was literally putting his life in immediate danger by his
willingness to describe in detail anything about Dulce. And if DSD-3 could ascertain that
anything he was speaking of was ‘factually verifiable’, and to the American public no
less, well there was just no way in hell he’d be walking around much longer.
And as you probably know, he lasted for all of one year after starting his career on the
lecture circuit. But he was there; he was telling what he knew, and he paid for it with
his life. But what he said of the 1979 fight, well much of it is wrong. I believe that is
why he elaborated so much.

However, the big mystery for me is how did Schneider make it out of Dulce without
detection from DSD-3? My detachment was there in cooperation and under the
oversight of DSD-3 to make sure everyone was accounted for, interviewed and
processed. Phil Schneider’s (name) was indeed on a list of known contractors from URS
Corp, but he was not one of the processed individuals. This meant he was dead or
captured. That was the assumption.

There were 72 known people who had died during the altercation, and 120 who were
evacuated safely to a holding area for processing before being let go via maglev shuttle
out to the Los Alamos National Laboratory access point. So there were 23 unaccounted
for contractors who were assumed taken to the lower levels (during the hostilities) as
hostages, or were thought to be dead and also taken. This is because all levels, 1
through 3, were searched repeatedly and thoroughly. No one else was found.
Months prior to this event there were nearly 1500 employees from both Federal
contractors operating in various scientific and engineering roles at the installation, on all
three upper levels, but ‘raising tensions’ between the inhabitants and Installation
Command precipitated a decision by DSD-3 to reduce staff to safe levels until relations
could be normalized. They decided to bring contractor levels down to just 150 people,
enough people to ensure that the installation met safe operating levels. This was a
decision that saved a lot of lives.

In addition to normally 1500 scientist and engineers, DSD-3 itself accounted for roughly
100 people, and Installation Command was roughly 70 people (20 from each
participating branch, including 2-3 administrative personnel per group). The human
resources structure of those operating the facility is made up of three primary groups:
Installation Command, DSD-3, and Contractors.

So after the hostile engagement with the inhabitants, everyone who cleared processing
left the installation using the shuttle back to the LANL access point. The dead simply
could not be taken out via the tunnels, because the area of Los Alamos that acts as the
access point from Dulce is beneath TA-3, where you have Otowi and many other
surrounding buildings which have too many civilian (non-Dulce) employees. The sight of
72 body bags would never have held quiet for long. So the deceased had to be
evacuated through the town of Dulce and taken to Kirtland AFB.

I’m not sure who, but there was one representative from both the Jicarilla Apache Tribal
Police Department and one from the New Mexico State Police, both of whom were
notified. I know this, because right there at the site entrance, to my surprise, there
were two officers; one from each organization.

I suspect that they were held under some sort of secrecy accord. It had to be the case,
because I simply could not see DSD-3 giving away any details about the underground
nature of the facility. But to this day, I know that someone from each of those
organizations knows about the deceased being transported from Dulce out to Kirtland
AFB. It’s possible that they were there to ensure facilitation of transport without any
unexpected obstacles occurring.

One interesting thing that has always puzzled me is that DSD-3 had a policy of doing
absolutely nothing to ranchers and Jicarilla people upon them accidentally stumbling
upon ventilation shafts, the entrance or obscured landing pads. What that means is that
there are people who have seen portions of the facility above ground, and who were
simply let go.

I never understood why, but whatever the reason it seems to be working in DSD-3’s
favor. No one talks, ever. I believe I am the first, but I know things that are happening
there that are wrong and beyond the boundaries of what are acceptable to any human.
No one has the right to hide what is really going on there.

Colonel, does this lead us into what the reason was for the tensions that led up to the
fighting in 1979?

Yes. Since the early days in the mid 1940’s when we had established diplomatic relations
with the inhabitants, we began to conduct joint efforts to help advance their biogenetic
research by providing them with various resources they required, this was in exchange
for technology we coveted. They had explained to us, and we could discern from the
writings we discovered, that the lower levels were of some sort of ‘ancient reverence’ to
them, (so we thought).

Our agreement was that no one was to ever breach their lower levels, nothing beyond
three. Level three was as deep as humans were permitted to go. We took over the top
three levels; and they retained all rights to the lower levels.

So the 1979 event occurred because “level access” was breached; something which they
had warned us against, thus triggering the deadly outcome. And for two years
afterwards, the facility operated under the same protocols as seen at any Demilitarized
Zone to prevent any incursions and to reintroduce stability until we could reestablish
diplomacy.

We continued to work with the dissident Greys under our oversight, and kept things to a
minimum. And later, after two years, we resumed discussions and work with the lower
level inhabitants.

What happened, why did you go back to work with the inhabitants?

The government is not in the job losing access to highly advanced technologies, or
sources of unique geological resources. So new people were trained and new protocols
were established to ensure that what happened in 1979, never occurred again. The
dissident Greys being Level 1 occupiers and not allowed back down into the lower levels
by either the other Greys or DSD-3 (for security reasons), well they just weren’t a source
of the geological requirements we needed. So diplomacy had to be reestablished with
the lower level Greys.

Did you ever learn why level-access was breached?

Yes. An incursion to level four happened for the same reason that I am telling you
everything here today. We discovered that this unknown aspect for reverence which
the Greys used to prevent us from accessing their lower levels was a lie. It was a guise
to prevent us from realizing the truth of what has been happening down there for years.
The truth being that people were taken regularly from the surface, and used for their
biogenetic experiments; research which the dissident Grey community is completely
against. But somehow someone within the contactor community discovered upon
chance that they have been actively doing this. And when questioned, it was
determined that they have been doing it for as long as they’ve been beneath the Mesa.
We operated under the belief that they conducted humane and fully transparent
experiments to overcome multiple defects in their physiology. Defects that had been
caused from miscalculated genetic transformations in their Genome over thousands of
years, from trying to adapt to earth. We authorized their research because we
understood that the genetic deterioration had caused several deadly conditions for
them.

First was an inability to breathe oxygen in arid environments with little to no humidity;
something every human is capable of. Secondly, we learned that the intensity of our
sun carries levels of electromagnetic radiation of which their epidermis is not capable of
tolerating for even the shortest amount of time. They possess a special magnetic
property that reacts adversely to electromagnetic radiation.

One of the most desired traits among the Grey community happens to be one their
most elusive recessive genes. It is when their skin acts as an almost transparent outer
epidermal layer that allows them to possess a chameleon like trait; camouflage.
Scimitor Greys held this gene. The sun can permanently damage this trait from
overexposure. That feature, coupled with the potential for irreparable damage upon
their vision as well, which is why the corridors use the very low lighted levels created
through a harmless process of chemo-luminescence, which they discovered how to
make using natural elements from the Mesa thousands of years ago.

So the errors in their genome, causing these deadly defects, are why there are so few of
them now. There are no more than a thousand Greys left. But that does not give them
the right to abduct humans and perform experimentation upon unsuspecting humans.
That is a total violation and is illegal according to the accord signed in the 1950s.
DSD-3 had received intelligence from a rogue Grey, not a dissident but acting against the
other inhabitants that they were taking people from above. DSD-3 had heard rumors of
this for years, but they were always dismissed.

You see… the suspicion was that human captives had somehow been forcibly taken, for
many years. But it was never confirmed. Our arrival effectively ended all their
experimentation for up to twenty years. The inhabitants knew that there would be an
adverse reaction from the military and the human scientific population within the
facility had it been discovered that there was a pattern of human abductions occurring.
And we don’t know what, but by the mid 1950s, something must have transpired within
their hierarchical structure, because we noted heavy activity of flight without proper
notification to DSD-3 and without any reason being provided. This was a big mistake
and DSD-3 was not going to have any of that. So tensions arose as questions began to
be asked of them, and a larger military presence was making the inhabitants worry.
Also, we were shocked that they attempted flight. We had believed that since the late
1940s that our efforts to stop flight had been successful. Especially with the aggressive
stance we took using the Radar technology under Project Diana.

What you need to understand is that during the 1950’s DSD-3 only operated at about 40
individuals; that was it. So the inhabitants, knowing full well that the human presence
could increase at any time … well, they decided against their better judgment and
proceeded to take advantage of the small size of DSD-3, and resume the behavior
pattern of “Human Abduction”.

We now know that they had always used humans as their primary source of protein,
and that they had bred a transgenic group of captives to produce this vital life sustaining
resource of theirs.

And although the Dissident Greys had proven that lesser mammals, such as whitefooted
and deer mice including prairie and meadow voles, could properly sustain them;
many fought the notion. They had grown accustomed to human protein over thousands
of years, and abducting them was easy, sanctioned and long-established, a right given to
them by the Progenitor race that placed them there.

Despite the fact that the Progenitor race had every intention of them dying at this
location, many of the Greys refer to their early writings as doctrine. And for some
unknown reason they choose to revere the Progenitors with an unfailingly loyalty;
despite the evidence that clearly shows the Progenitors had hoped for them to die off.
The younger newer generations, of Dissident Greys, have learned to oppose that
doctrine. And as a result, they have chosen to abandon the lower level Greys choosing
to work with the Humans instead.

In the 1950’s the lower level Greys tried to resume abducting humans, but two things
went terribly wrong. First, a Sergeant stationed at White Sands Missile Range in 1956,
was found dead. His body had been mutilated in such a manner that DSD-3 knew it was
the Greys. This was because there was an eye-witness, a Major who had witnessed the
abduction by a "disk shaped" object some three days before the body was finally found
and recovered for forensic examination. The Sergeant’s genitals had been removed, his
eyes excised and his rectum completely cored out; all of this done with surgical
precision using the Greys laser technology.

It took a month, but DSD-3 increased its ranks to 70 personnel, formed a tactical squad
filled with no-nonsense soldiers, and infiltrated level four. There was a fight that lasted
12 hours; our side killed several hundred of them, and in turn we lost not a single DSD-3
soldier. The DSD-3 tactical team found a dozen bodies and tables in a lab unknown to
anyone; these people were all recent abductions. Unfortunately, no one was alive. TO
the dismay of everyone, several were just children; there was one man, and the rest
were young women.

At that time, between 1956-1957 diplomacy was completely thrown out the window.
For almost a year, there was nothing; only a dead silence, with no activity of any kind
from the inhabitants after the fighting and during the year that followed.

But then it happened, someone, some unknown person with high authority managed to
resume talks with the inhabitants and strike an accord that would allow them to work
with DSD-3 teams to capture mammals for their experiments. The brokered deal
allowed cattle (which were readily found in remote areas throughout the region) to be
the answer. No more human abductions or mutilations were to ever occur again,
period. The inhabitants agreed to this. So we began work with scientists from within
their ranks who would continue assisting our own technological advancements. That
was the 1960s.

But by 1970 they started abducting humans again. However, this time DSD-3 did not
interfere. Something had gone terribly wrong within ranks. So when I joined DSD-3 in
1980 there had already been a layer of understanding created through various dark
channels of collusion … at a much higher level.

It wasn’t that DSD-3 looked away as much as it was that they simply didn’t know
anything about it. You see, the outside forces from the AFSOI no longer reported
human mutilations to DSD-3, and by that time reported abductions were thought of as
pure nonsense from crazy people; “UFO nuts”. And this was propagated by the media.
The whole culture of America and many parts of the world had already begun to see an
amazing shift in attitudes towards Aliens and UFOs. People’s beliefs had been altered.
So with this shift, no one gave a damn about the numerous ongoing cattle mutilations at
that time either, except for the poor ranchers who were losing tons of money.
Anyhow, in 1979 intelligence had made its way in to contractors, not DSD-3, but a team
of scientific contractors who would become enraged over implications of human
captives being subjected to medical and various other types of scientific experiments,
which involved their own (contractor) involvement.

So these are the people that went down to level four, breaching protocol, thus
triggering the 1979 event. And it is not at all like Schneider or the others tell it; nothing
of the sort.

Colonel, this is by no means to show any disrespect to you, and I know its kind of late
for me to be asking this …. But how do you know all of this in such detail? I ask now,
because you say that your assignment to Dulce was for 48 hours; however somehow
you have attained so much information that in my estimation would have taken years
to acquire?

Two things would transpire that allowed me to learn all that I now know.

First, when we arrived to Dulce in 1979, the briefing documents that were given to us by
the Brigadier General came in one large envelope, containing three sets of copies. We
were told to hold on to our briefing documents until the Lieutenant Commander arrived
with his set. Upon his arrival we would return our sets to the Brigadier General; the
Lieutenant Commander and Major both did. I didn’t. Under the circumstances it was an
honest mistake.

The Brigadier General had placed his own copies back into the envelope. During the
commotion upon our arrival to the installation, no one thought to ask for my set to be
returned. Whoever the Brigadier General returned the sets to, they thought that it was
all there, because with the addition of the Lieutenant Commander’s set being given as
well, it filled the envelope back to perfect form, with three sets of copies.

Because of the heightened atmosphere and commotion, I packed mine in my bag, and
honestly I never thought twice about it until after we were gone from Dulce. I still had
my set of copies, enough to fill a whole binder with. And I held on to my set for four
long years, studying every aspect of the entire history until I retired in late 1983;
however the second and most important reason as to why I now know so much, is
because after conclusion of my original 48 hour assignment at Dulce, some three weeks
later … and upon my promotion to Lieutenant Colonel … I was recruited to work for
DSD-3.

Jesus, you really did work for DSD3?

Yes. I spent the rest of my career at Dulce acting as a Psychological and Behavioral
Specialist and as a part time Technical Liaison between ‘Installation Command’ and DSD-
3. This gave me unparalleled access to ECHO, and ISAD the “Installation Scientific
Archival Database” plus access to the DSD-3 Personnel Database.

So when I was introduced to that Grey as a future member of DSD-3 by the officer, he
wasn’t posturing. When I retired, I left my original briefing documents from my 1979
trip in my desk back at DSD-3 headquarters.

Colonel, what level of clearance did you have?

DSD-3 personnel required a standard DoE ‘L’ Clearance. You also needed a Rhyolite
clearance to operate on ECHO. Rhyolite was a by-product and holdover from NSA
development within the original SIGINT (Signal Intelligence) development efforts; this
was for early communications software and hardware systems. ECHO emerged from
those efforts, therefore the Rhyolite clearance held firmly in place, no exceptions.
Anyone (at Dulce) with a DoE ‘Q’ Clearance meant they had access to classified nuclear
related materials from the ongoing Los Alamos related projects. People like Schneider
in engineering or scientific related roles most likely required ‘Q’ Clearance. Excavation,
Transport, Construction of any kind had to be apprised of areas which held nuclear
sensitive materials. Some DSD-3 people attained a ‘Q’ Clearance as well, but eventually
earned higher levels of Top secret Classification after various probations and
subsequent promotions.

Colonel, why do you continue to keep up on Dulce, especially details that emerge from
the internet; I am asking because I know that you do not believe a lot of the stuff that
has emerged?

Because, Dulce represented the pinnacle of my career and it is something that I would
never be able to disclose due to the nature of the facility and its secrets. I had hoped
that by the year 2000 that the disclosure of Dulce would emerge, but that never
happened. In 2001 when The Disclosure Project culminated in their event at the
National Press Club, I was there listening intently, but nothing about Dulce emerged.
Nine years later its 2010, and here we are; and still no disclosure about the Rio Arriba
Scientific & Technological Underground Auxiliary.

And now, I’ve simply seen too many people die over the installation and its secrets. In
addition, I feel that the nature of the ongoing work is taking its toll on those being
subjected to the living hell they are enduring. There are people down there; unwilling
participants in a game of man and alien playing God. And I don’t like it. I never did.
Had I known, I never would have accepted the job.

During my retirement several key operatives remained in contact with me. Even today
they leverage my vast knowledge of Dulce in exchange for filling me in with new info
and goings-on at LANL and all things related to the Dulce facilities, all three of them. It’s
hard to just walk away from something so remarkable, considering all that I experienced
there.

One thing I would learn was that by the late 80s and early 90s a new darker element
would emerge from DSD-3 and the contractors there. The whole damned place had
gone to hell in a hand basket. My sources told me that all the Dissident Greys were
killed or captured and given back to the Lower Level Grey community in exchange for
newer technologies and weaponry that we had no idea they had been developing for us.
This lure was too great to refuse for the military and especially various powers within
the Shadow Government. I was saddened to know that they had betrayed the
dissidents. Of course, I was enraged upon learning this. So I secretly began to support
Schneider despite his strange stance on the events as they really occurred. Mostly it
was because I saw him as a conduit to getting the word out about Dulce. If he could do
it, more power to him. So I met with him in Denver Colorado and gave him as much
information that I could. I could not tell him that I was a member of DSD-3; he never
would have trusted me, let alone meet with me. So I told him that I was FBI, and that I
would help him.

You met with Phil Schneider, in person?

Yes, it was August of 1995 when we met. I flew to Denver just to meet with him.
When I first approached him I asked if we could meet privately; he wouldn’t have it. I
told him that I had travelled a great distance just to meet with him. That I had heard
about his claims of Dulce and I really needed to talk to him. Once he realized I had no
interest in any of his stories regarding his father, Val Thor, the Philadelphia
Experiment or his relationship with Al Bielek … then he began to realize how serious I
was.

I told him that I had retired from the FBI but that I was also a former “Installation
Command” officer from Dulce. I told him that after learning about certain events that I
had decided to help him. Privately I knew that I really couldn’t do anything other than
provide him with the intelligence data I had. But this could be just enough to blow the
lid off the biggest and most secretive Underground Facility in the US.

He wanted to know my name, but I wouldn’t tell him. Parts of his story were so
delusional that I had to refrain from completely trusting him; my feeling was that he was
not completely mentally stable. And I did not trust the people travelling with him,
especially this blonde woman who I could sense was not who she claimed to be. Inside I
could tell that she was an Intelligence Agent. What she was doing, and who she was
with was a mystery to me. At that time I felt that she was not connected to DSD-3, and I
just couldn’t determine who she really was.

He had begun to tell me how someone was already attempting to silence him and that
he had been followed several times. He showed me a gun that he had been carrying.
When I met him he was terrified, and trying to get him to believe me was a process all
unto itself. It took days of talking and meeting to get him to trust me, before he would
accept my data.

After one such meeting he and I were leaving a restaurant late at night when we were
approached by an individual claiming to be CIA. Once he realized that we weren’t
buying it he pulled out a pistol and began shooting at us both. I pulled my Jericho 941
and fired two shots to his upper torso and downed him instantly. At that moment Phil
understood that I had his interest and offered my full cooperation over exposing Dulce,
no matter the cost. My hope was that he would get a chance to reveal what I had given
him. But soon after he accepted my info, he turned up dead. That’s why I am talking to
you now.

But Colonel, aren’t you afraid as well?

My life has been completely transformed. I have a new name, a new face and a new
life. My skills in intelligence have netted me favors with many powerful people over the
years. Using those favors I have constructed a whole new identity. My immediate
family has no idea that the name they carry is a fabrication of my own doing to protect
them. And my children believe that I was adopted from an orphanage by an elderly
couple whose ties extend back to Europe with people who are now unknown to us.
So you see? No one is ever going to track me down. Our mutual friend has undergone
the same type of transformation since abandoning his own work within the military
industrial complex. Within my small circle I have a few friends and a few more unused
favors. And that is why you and I are here now.

Colonel, I am glad to hear that. So is it safe to say that Schneider was not a suicide?

That was no suicide. He was silenced. When Schneider said he held a security clearance
designated as “Rhyolite”, that’s what did him in. Not because of the security clearance;
but rather, due to the implications of him bringing attention to the fact that he was even
alive.

First, it was an accurate level of clearance for a federal contractor operating at Dulce.
He worked for URS Corp and held many privileges that came along with being a
contractor at Dulce. The notion that someone would openly claim they had a ‘Rhyolite
38, Level 3 clearance’ would eventually reach DSD-3 through one of its intelligence
channels out there in the ‘World’, as they often referred to the surface. And secondly,
once they learned that his name matched one of the unaccounted for missing 23 people
from the 1979 event, this would immediately escalate within DSD-3. Because up to this
point it was assumed he, along with the other 22 missing, were dead.

So the admissions he made during his lectures, coupled with his unexplained
reemergence both caused grave concern to DSD-3; for one, because he had no reason
to flee Dulce during the 1979 event. And that is the big mystery with Schneider. He
could have simply returned (or contacted DSD-3) if he had required assistance. They
would have believed him if he had just said “he somehow escaped from a hostage
situation”, etc.

I could go on about possible scenarios how he could have ‘saved face’, made
reconciliation, and eventually resumed work through his position with no retribution
whatsoever, had he chosen to. But he didn’t even attempt to try, and instead he went
public with his story. Why, one can only speculate? And the reasons for why he would
choose to elaborate his involvement during the 1979 event, well this just made his
reemergence even more enigmatic. What was he trying to gain?

Do I think that it is it because he felt threatened? Hell yes I do. But only because the
course of actions he took backfired and someone was tracking him. Self-preservation
was not going to come from talking about Dulce; he should have known better. I felt
guilty for years that I tried to help him. But I later learned that the woman he met was
indeed a DSD-3 operative, someone who came long after my retirement and who was
unaware of my presence or new appearance and identity. I also learned that the
information I gave to him never made it back to Installation Command or DSD-3. I know
this for certain because of an insider who is still there now, and who works for my
group.

Incidentally, on the internet one of the big misconceptions was that Schneider’s Rhyolite
clearance was not real, with even some speculation that this particular part of his story
was made up. It was not made up. He was telling the truth. That was his clearance (at
least a part of it). And that was a clearance that any engineer or scientist there at Dulce
would require if they were to use any part of the communications and network
infrastructure. All contractor activities at Dulce are under constant surveillance of DSD-
3 who utilizes a system built for Dulce called ECHO the “Enhanced Communications
and High-traffic Observation System”.

Yes, ECHO. You mentioned that earlier in our conversation. Can you elaborate on
this?

DSD-3 uses ECHO to monitor all transmitted communication traffic (radio, telephone,
fax, network, wireless, etc.). ECHO is a system created by the National Security Agency
(NSA) as a sophisticated surveillance layer that allows DSD-3 the ability to monitor and
intercept every aspect of the facility’s electronic communication and network
infrastructure, inbound and outbound, wireless or Wired; it does not matter, everything
is covered.

ECHO is the same system that would later be integrated to all global U.S. and Allied
(Underground Installations) similar to Dulce. The Pine Gap Joint Defense Space
Research Facility near Alice Springs, Australia also uses ECHO. In any event, as a byproduct
of “NSA” involvement and use of an “NSA” communications system; federal
contractors using any portion of the secure communication and network infrastructure
would be classified under a “Rhyolite” level security clearance.

Raven Rock, Mount Weather, PARI, Mount Pony, Manzano, China Lake, Groom Lake,
Tehachapi (Northrop Pico-Rivera) … pretty much every major underground military or
contractor scientific auxiliary uses ECHO.

How in the hell would Schneider have known this detail without having been there?
And you know the “Level 3 Clearance” he referred to? This did not indicate a standing
rank or position; it literally stood for “Level 3”, meaning he had access to levels 1
through 3. And engineering contractors, like Schneider, with a geology specialization
required access to level three to receive transfers from the lower level Greys.

[-Vod-]

Okay, this is question that many people have often speculated over Schneider and his
story, “How does a Geologist end up working at Dulce?”

The geology of the Mesa, which is heavy in both black basalt rock & sulfate-rich
sandstone, also contains large deposits of metals and minerals of extraterrestrial origin,
acquired by the Greys originally from the Progenitor race when they put them there.
Some samples of which are used for fabrication into other more desirable synthetic
alloys, through after some unknown process of synthesis, are given to our military in
exchange for resources which the inhabitants require.

One synthetic alloy, with unique radar absorbent properties, would be used to facilitate
the development of our ‘Stealth Technology’. And no, Phil Schneider wasn’t crazy. And
yes, this is one detail he was absolutely correct about. He foolishly had it on display.
And as you know, it was recovered.

In any event, the facility required the knowledge from expert geologist, as they needed
to know what they were excavating or removing (usually done by explosives) before
clearing way for new operating areas or transport tunnels. Again, Excavation, Transport,
Construction of any kind had to be handled with extreme care because of the areas
which held nuclear sensitive materials.

Colonel, I’d like to try and wrap up by asking you to give me your reaction of
descriptions about Dulce as made by others. For instance, at Dulce, some have stated
that humans work on lower levels with Reptilians and Greys and that they cage
people. I take it from what you have shared, thus far, that you are aware of these
stories, but that this would be inaccurate; correct?

With regards to the levels as described in the numerous stories of Dulce which are
widely circulated, they are almost completely inaccurate. What you have to understand
is that there are many people writing false stories which again lean heavily on the data
from both Hansen and Bennewitz; that was established a long time ago by DSD-3.

And that’s why no one does anything to these people, with regards to disseminating this
nonsensical information. As far as DSD-3 is concerned, they welcome it as it provides
the perfect campaign of disinformation which they need. And, one in which they do not
have to fund. And do you know who else is happy? The AFOSI over at Kirtland AFB,
because they now have a means to dismiss every single strange report that comes their
way, and that is a shame.

(I could see that the interview was taking its toll on the Colonel; but I did not know if I’d
ever get this chance again. I think deep down he knew exactly what I was feeling, and
that if he truly wanted to get this information out that he’d have to continue on. So I
decided to remove the conversation from Greys and People and focus on other less
stressful aspects if just for short while.)

Does it bother you that Dulce has been associated so heavily with reptilians or
monsters?

Monsters, no – why should I? The Jicarilla have their beliefs, some of which they refer
to monsters in their sacred texts.

And as for reptilians; same feeling, no - but it detracts from the reality of the Facility and
what it really happening there. I am not sure where the notion that Reptilians exist
(there) came about, but I have read some of those accounts but could never finish them.
And that was due to the story being completely made up or taking weird turns towards
religious or political areas I simply had no interest in.

What I did notice was that leaned heavily off distorting the Bennewitz and Hansen data,
taking bits and pieces of the real story; augmenting, stretching and completely remaking
into something that isn’t true. I don’t have time for that.

If these people only knew the truth of how the Greys are helping the military’s scientific
research teams conduct regular on-going Bio Chemical warfare exercises (actual tests)
on cattle throughout the region; then they wouldn’t write their Reptilian propaganda.
Again, like said earlier, if there are Reptilians they simply are not at Dulce. I’ve never
seen one near a Grey nor do I think a Grey would tolerate being near one. I know this
because the Greys, after observing them for years, are a highly isolated and secretive
community through choice, who don’t trust very easily.

Colonel, you mentioned Cattle Mutilations; what do you know about them?

The U.S. military has been propagating the use of living organisms such as anthrax, and
non-living organisms such as ricin, saxitoxin and botulinum toxin on local area cattle to
monitor the affects of these agents. They do this work regularly throughout the Four
Corners area to conduct analysis and see how this method of warfare can fare against
future human counterparts. And if you don’t that think this work is not somehow
extending to the human captives inside Dulce, then you are crazy.

It all began when we first observed the Greys abducting cattle for their sustenance
efforts. Their craft, remnants of designs created by their progenitors, have the ability to
hover silently and use a tractor beam to abduct their subjects or victims. Oh, trust me…
when we first witnessed this our military went nuts and began devising ways of using
this technology for our own purposes. And we did. Many elements of today’s Stealth
Air Craft use the same materials that the Grey’s saucer crafts are made of. But let me
tell you about the abductions.

We observed first marking cattle, selecting ones they could tell would be ready for their
process. Once they did this, we’d see them scan the area find ones they had marked
and then we would watch them take the cattle, one at a time, before they would begin
performing their work away from our view inside the craft. Once they were done and
had left, we would sometimes move in. And I can tell you this, from one excursion that I
personally went on. Immediately afterwards the area smells so damned bad of chemical
signatures that it can literally blind you.

Something about what they do creates this god awful smell; some military personnel
have been known to faint from it. The other animals like predatory creatures stay away,
insects even dye upon approaching the freshly returned carcass. Even we with our gas
masks fail to remain fully immune from the chemical odor.

Anyhow, we could see that the animals had certain organs removed, cut open by laser
or a very sharp instrument. The animals were indeed being used for purposes all their
own. We were not allowed to question it either. The local rancher community hated
this, as it cost them lots of money; practically ruining some family ranching businesses
from the repeated abductions and mutilations.

And this is why you so often would find these animals in areas inaccessible to people by
foot, usually in fields located in very remote areas. And it is also why you would find no
traces of struggle or even blood for that matter. Plus we later learned that the blood
was usually extracted from the body in addition to most of the glandular organs and
reproductive organs.

But now it is solely the Military. The military is responsible for the largest number of
animals being killed throughout the area. And sometimes things don’t go right. On
occasion equipment would be left behind, tracks would be left visible. And even on one
occasion vials of bio agent (ricin) were left behind. That incident caused a furor with
Installation Command, whereby the whole damned detachment had to be sent out to
look for the lost vials. The military is in the business of injecting these animals with
whatever they choose. And then they wait, conduct some tests, pull samples and leave.
Even the military goes to great lengths to clear their tracks.

We on occasion will conduct these operations from onboard the Grey’s craft, but we
also perform them using helicopters as well. And I tell you this because UFOs seen in
the area are not meant for a diversionary tactic, they are used as a logistical advantage.
And it is more than just these reasons alone. The military uses some animals as test
subjects due to the exposure they receive from radioactive fallout of the many
conducted nuclear tests in the area. And I could go on about this, but the point is that
the Greys limit their activities whereas the military does not. The military is much more
active with abductions of animals, and now … humans.

I was told that in 1992 a program began to test the affects of the Greys tractor beam
technology on humans. Instead of using themselves, the bastards began taking
innocent victims. Only God knows what became of these individuals. By some accounts
through my intelligence channel I’ve heard the number was as high as fifty people taken
through this program. I sometimes think what else; what in the hell else are they
possibly doing to these poor people? Now I hope you can understand why I am trying to
expose this place.

Understood … Colonel, just a few more questions; please. I promise.

(I could see that the Colonel was becoming very agitated so, again, I had to change the
direction of the discussion to ensure his continued participation allowing me to ask a few
more important questions.)

Can you please provide me with an accurate description of the facility? People are
going to ask about this; especially knowing that the previous descriptions are from
inaccurate sources.

Level 1 is essentially a four part area.

There is a large Garage used to house the facilities seldom used HMMWV trucks.
Adjoining that area is a warehouse/hangar a very large space that is almost always
empty and there is a set of hangar bay doors approximately 60 feet wide by 30 feet
high. The only equipment in the hangar back then was six helicopters. There were two
AH-1G HueyCobras, two UH-1 Iroquois and Two Sioux Scouts; these were used to
regular patrol by DSD-3 and could be seen by the townspeople of Dulce on regular
occasions for years. I’m told that today they are using two AH-64D Apache Longbows,
which replaced the Cobras. And that the Iriquois and Sioux Scouts have also been
replaced by unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs).

So a lot has changed since I retired. And this is the area I told you of, where the security
division officer originally took me on our way to meet the Grey working in the lab.

The upper level also houses corridors used by Greys. These areas were kept at higher
temperatures with built in humidification systems and equipped with special low
lighting to accommodate the Greys. Areas of Human scientific R&D offices were also
located in two larger adjoining corridors with environmental levels suitable for humans.
Installation Command Headquarters was located on level 1, as well as DSD-3 offices.
And there was also the Visitor Processing Center that was a set of offices next to two
specially designated elevators that went down to an area of level 3 that was the Maglev
Transport HUB.

Level 2 is multi part area much like level one, but this is the section of Dulce that is like a
small city. You have temporary living quarters for DSD-3 personnel and other military
personnel requiring stays at Dulce. There is the primary Data Center used for ECHO and
Installation Commands administrative purposes. There are also the primary scientific
labs used for the ongoing work conducted by the various teams of contractors.
Also on Level 2 is the Cafeteria which has a coffee station, salad bar, everything you
would imagine. And there is the Commissary, again having anything you could require.
These were in place because you had lots of people who needed basic everyday things.
Plus there is the Medical Ward, seldom used, except for rare work related stress, or
from typical small accidents occurring in labs. On Level 2 there is a gym with a pool with
a small steam room. So essentially you had many amenities that you would need to
placate and sustain a large population of workers. But the most enigmatic area of Dulce
is definitely Level three; a part of it at least.

On level 3 there is one corridor called Maximum Containment Corridor (MCC); this is the
real ‘Nightmare Hall’.

In the same manner that Area 51 burns off dangerous toxic waste above ground in
burning pits; we have a similar process at Dulce. When we humans create our own
genetic, biological and chemical mistakes here at Dulce, this is where they go to be
destroyed. And only a very few select individuals are allowed in, ever. Their purpose is
to dispose of any incoming rejected element, living or not.

Inside MCC there are unbreakable, high-tempered “glass containment units”, used to
serve as final holding areas for larger subjects. Also there are also class four biocontainment
cabinets used for special and careful handling of pathogenic organisms
(bacteria) and agents (viruses).

At the same time when the Leandro Canyon TA-D3 facility was completed, new ‘Black
Bio-Genetic Programs’ began. This is the development of ‘Ultimate-Soldiers’ also known
as ‘Super-Soldiers’. These programs involve conducting both Human/Grey &
Human/Animal gene-splicing experiments.

I received confirmed intelligence that one of the experiments had gone seriously awry,
creating a deadly incident leaving as many as 20 people dead, including the very two
Ultimate-Soldiers responsible. In 1993 at TA-D3 there was a mass killing of 20 people
part of a scientific contingent; most all of them Research Geneticists. Two Ultimate-
Soldier test subjects, during transport back to MCC at TA-D1 on level 3, escaped.

They were being sent back for impending termination at MCC. This is what MCC is for.
These two went berserk (naturally) and ripped the victims’ limb from limb before
snapping their necks and excising their internal organs, while some where still alive. It
was so horrendous that all activities in all three facilities were suspended for a week.
Non-Military personnel were sent home, and operations ceased until order could be
reestablished and a cover-up could be implemented. These two subjects were attempts
at creating Scimitor/Human hybrids by unlocking dormant Grey genetic markers
believed to be Scimitor.

But one has to ask, “What the hell are we thinking creating Ultimate-Soldiers?”
The last I checked we already had Ultimate Soldiers; they’re our Special Operations
Units such as Force Recon, SEALs, TACPs, Rangers, Green Berets, etc. so I ask you,
“What are they doing by trying to create some mutant killing machine?” I know from
my intelligence sources that this is exactly what the newer darker element who took
over Dulce is prone to introduce. And I’m not sure what it is, but I am told that they
justify all of this with crazy rationale to conduct these types of experiments; probably,
terrorism. But let me get back to Level 3.

On Level 3 the area where we interact with the lower level Greys are called XFER1 and
XFER2; these are the two primary transfer areas which use special heavy load elevators
to deposit or pick up a whole array of items. But the XFER area and MCC are what we
called the Dark Side of level three. Because there is a less threatening section of level
three where there were several (almost never used) meeting facilities, a cryogenics lab,
and a highly guarded Data Center used only by DSD-3.

And probably one of the most interesting places is where DSD-3 houses its detainment
area, called “Glasshouse.” It’s a jail constructed of transparent walls using the same
unbreakable, high-tempered glass, made to house as many as 100 individuals. This is
the area where the dissident Greys were housed when they first defected. After it was
established they were not a threat, they were then moved to their corridors on level 1.

But what about the shuttles you mentioned earlier?

Yes. Finally, in the largest area of level three is the “Maglev Transport HUB”. This part
of the level is the farthest away from the transfer areas and MCC which adjoin one
another, way on the other end of level three. The contractors never see the other side,
MCC or XFER unless they have business there.

Now on this side … this area is “very clean” and resembles all the other human areas.
The level of traffic and activity in the HUB is quite busy throughout the day. But mostly
at the 5:00 AM arrival time, and at the 5:00 PM departure time.

There are six shuttles that run through the Dulce HUB; all operated by Bechtel under a
contract with Department of Energy. The initial rail system was created by Bechtel.
Later 'General Dynamics Corporation' through a Federal contract with the DoE was
awarded a no-bid contract to construct a High-Speed Rail System using Maglev
Technology. Today, unless they have changed the routes, these are the destination
points from Dulce HUB:
Shuttle A1 – Departs to Los Alamos (LANL TA-3)
Shuttle A2 – Departs to Kirtland AFB, Cannon AFB
Shuttle A3 – Departs to WSMR, Holloman AFB
Shuttle B1 – Departs to Groom Lake, (AFFTC DET-3) – Area 51
Shuttle C1 – Departs to Naval Air Weapons Station China Lake
Shuttle C2 – Departs to Edwards Air Force Base (Connecting HUB)

Edwards AFB is the largest Maglev Transport HUB in the entire country, with connectors
going to more locations throughout the South, South East, and Midwest plus the East
Coast. This is in addition to also connecting to NAVBASE San Diego, homeport of
the Pacific Fleet. The Edwards AFB HUB is essential to all underground Maglev transport
and travel. The only known Maglev HUB I know of shut down, is the Presidio of
Monterey; it is very seldom used, if ever.

Colonel, what do you know about “Thomas Edwin Castello”, did he really exist? This is
what people are really going to want to know.

That story is not real. If I cannot validate the existence of Thomas Edwin Castello, no one can.

That name never appeared on any documentation or in the DSD-3 Personnel Database.
When that whole story emerged I looked long and hard at the data noting down the
various names of the principles involved. And I am telling you with all conviction that I
had my sources within my intelligence circles access the DSD-3 Personnel Database to
check; they double checked, and found nothing validating the name Thomas Edwin
Castello, or such a person ever having been to Dulce.

I even hired a Private Investigator to attempt to locate ‘Thomas Edwin Castello’ and his
supposed family (Eric Castello, son and Cathy Castello, wife) … he found nothing. This
man and his family simply do not exist.

I personally conducted an extensive independent search within the National Archives
and Records Administration database and nothing turned up. I also performed an
exhaustive search in the Social Security Administration Death Index and nothing turned
up. Finally, a search in all the known U.S. Military Personnel Locator Databases for
Castello, with him being a supposed ‘USAF Sergeant’, also turned up nothing.

However, if with a twist if strange irony … my search efforts managed to turn up a HAM
Radio operator named ‘Thomas E. Castello’ in Roswell, New Mexico. Yes, that Roswell;
very strange indeed. The problem was that the age of the Roswell subject simply did
not match with the age of our subject who was born in 1941 in Glen Ellyn, IL;
supposedly. The Roswell Castello is not the person I sought.

I also sought birth certificates from both ‘Glen Ellyn’ and ‘Wheaton’ townships in IL.
Unfortunately, nothing turned up. Although, there are many Castello’s living in this part
of Illinois, and several of whom share the same first name of Thomas; none match our
subject’s birth date, birth year, or middle name or initial. There is no Thomas E.
Castello.

Wow. That is going to unsettle a lot people who threw a lot of weight behind the
story being legitimate because of this person.

Well, there just isn’t anything to be found on this person. And my sources say he never
existed. You wanted Dulce, I gave you Dulce; the real Dulce.

Can you tell me about the Austra Albus; are these the tall Whites, Nordics or
Scandinavians as people call them? You really didn’t touch on them, as much as you
did the Greys.

No, they are not Scandinavian; however, the Austra Albus are a new unique genetic
creation made through generations of interbreeding with humans to sustain their own
primary lineage going back to the Progenitors who the Greys say are their creators.

Today, the Austra Albus represent the world’s most powerful cabal of men whose
wealth is so great that they control everything; politics, religion, society, and who can
even determine wars including their outcomes. That is how powerful they are.

If you recall, the tablets found during the Muroc Expedition showed the discovery of a
second group; non-human beings … the Austra Albus. They were also known to be often
called Achromia and Illumina – names found hundreds of times. The writings show that
this human-alien hybrid is very human in appearance. And indications are that they are
the primary group in the alien periphery, because of their direct lineage to the
Progenitor race. Again, as I have said before … the Greys (Eloah) are a mutant subspecies
with no Progenitor DNA. They are a unique creation using genetic material from
the Progenitor home world and biological life forms discovered along the way here; to
our solar system.

Today the Astra Albus, now very much human in both anatomy and appearance,
considers themselves superior to everyone. And these are the Illuminati; or “the
Enlightened Ones.” They control everything.

You mentioned that they hoped the Greys would die off in the Mesa. Why is that?
According to the tablets, the Eloah (Formicidae or Greys) had been put there by the
Austra Albus. They were told that this would be an ideal home for the sub species to
thrive and to rebuild, and to recover from a disease that was plaguing them.

They Greys were dying. But in reality, they learned, somehow, that this relocation and
this new phantom sickness plaguing them, was in fact a methodical plan to eliminate
them. And that they were really sent there to die; that was the real intention of the
Austra Albus. They fooled them and brought them here under the guise that it was to
help them rebuild their species back to full strength.

The Austra Albus told them that a local healthy human population was close by and
large enough to sustain the two groups for generations, both as food and as slaves, thus
allowing them to reengineer their DNA to successfully fight off the many diseases
afflicting them; one in which the Austra Albus and Humans seemed to be immune from.
This was integral to the location’s selection. The local humans could be captured and
studied towards a cure, and the local geology provided a subterranean habitat large
enough to occupy. But what the Greys did not know, was that the virus which was
killing them was in fact a disease which the humans could (not) offer a cure for.

To survive they would need a genetically pure Austra Albus to do use as a medical
subject. And they were fast disappearing and this was something the Grey could never
hope to attain. So the Greys felt safe here, as it was isolated far enough away from
active human populaces who were already aware of and wary of the sub-species, whom
they had once worshiped as Demigods.

Through a campaign of propaganda engineered by the Austra Albus, Humans began to
see the Greys as monsters and abominations. Humans were given many false stories of
their wrong doings, secretly circulated by the Albus, of acts which included the eating of
human flesh, performing genetic creations (half-man, half-animal). But worst of all was
the kidnapping of human children for use as slaves; even though this was untrue.

So extracting the Grey from the human world was exactly what the Austra Albus saw fit
to do. If the sub-group died off; the Austra Albus, who wanted the human population to
forget about their own origins including those of the Austra Albus, could succeed. So
having the Greys remain alive meant that the memories of their true origins might linger
on.

The Greys write that the Austra Albus needed the humans to forget about them coming
from another world. This was so that the (Austra Albus) could facilitate an easy
integration into the human world for purposes of control, wealth and servitude; in other
words, unrealized perpetual slavery.

Are you saying the Greys are the good guys?

No. The lower level Greys we know today and the Austra Albus are both malevolent
species. Neither of them is good. They both see themselves as superior to humans and
have every intention of ruling us. It’s all in the tablets. But both groups have
underestimated humans. The Greys are near extinction. And the Austra Albus are
fading away.

How much do you know about the history of the Progenitors?

Well, like I mentioned before … their writings tell us that their planet was dying and they
needed to find a colony. Our solar system had the two best options for them. All we
know is that they had a large civilization on Mars until some celestial catastrophe
occurred, sending them here to earth.

But coming to Earth would mean taking on some high levels of genetic engineering to
force quick physiological adaptations to survive here. After trying to force quick
mutative adaptations, much failure had led them to concede in creating a new successor
race with their own genetic foot print. They created the Anu who thrived for eons; and
then the original Progenitor race over time, died off.

At the time of the Anu, the Progenitors had created the Greys, which the progenitors
saw fit to serve the Anu, and then the Austra Albus. When the Anu began to die, they
did the same as their creator and made a genetically enhanced (better version) of the
Anu, called Austra Albus.

Unfortunately, The Austra Albus were handed the same fate as their progenitors. Their
modified genome began to fail them. Unexpected changes in the Earth’s environment,
mostly greater levels of radiation from the sun, began to corrupt their DNA. Their only
salvation would come through splicing their own genes with humans to produce a new
species capable of successfully interbreeding with. But the Austra Albus created many
generations of humans before finally achieving the one for whom they would accept
and be able to breed with naturally. This is the modern human.
Over time the Austra Albus would create two castes; the elite caste and the worker
caste. Today the elite caste represents a secret group of high powered, selective
wealthy elitists. And this lineage is a Alien-Human hybrid line.

So that is what you meant when you said “Homo sapiens received elements of Austra
Albus genetics for very specific reasons?”

When the Anu too became sick, just like the Progenitors; they needed to create an
offspring genetically enhanced and better suited for surviving on Earth. They created
Austra Albus. This group was a pure lineage, and was around for thousands of years
after the Anu had perished. But they too shared some strong genetic predisposition
that kept them from adapting to the Earths ever changing environment. Their last
chance of survival would be through interbreeding with the earliest vestiges of
humanity.

The writings say that what resulted from the initial efforts was that they created a new
species more beautiful than their own. And this fact was important to our own
continuation. You see … the Austra Albus was an intimidating figure; very tall with super
pure gray/white skin (no color), with a vast variety of eye colors. Just like the Anu, and
Progenitors.

Their bone structure was much more pronounced than that of the soft rounded human
appearance. The Austra Albus possessed a more linear and hardened appearance
defining their skeletal facial structure. There faces were longer and thinner, and their
eyes twice as large … not at all like human eyes. For instance, the illustrations made by
Greys of the Austra Albus, and through descriptions of their early appearance showed
that there were no visible "whites of the eye" (the sclera), just a beautiful array of light
colored irises and transparent pupils that resembled clear pools of reflective liquid.

And do we have proof of this?

Certainly, there are images on the many metallic sheets (tablets) we found. Both
images and writings showed that the Anu had many eye colors, which included violet,
gray, green, hazel, and the most common colors being brown and blue. This was in
stark difference to early humans who had a very visible sclera (white area of the eye), a
much smaller iris with only one range of eye color (very light brown to very dark brown -
almost black). And again, this is all according to the writings found.

Humans had to be genetically modified in order to create a group successful of
interbreeding with Austra Albus.

After the successful creation of the first generation of species able to interbreed, the
results produced the first true generation of people whom the Austra Albus immediately
accepted. They accepted them for their beauty and for the diversity of the appearance,
which was a striking difference to the Austra Albus who shared a strong consistent
commonality in appearance.

But in addition to the beauty was the greater level of simplicity of the new hybrid
species’ genome … which was now almost identical to their own, thus allowing them the
ability to better understand it, and to seemingly change it at will.

But despite the initial successes, the new hybrid species was not attaining the
intellectual capacity of the Austra Albus and more work would be required to elevate
their abilities. This would mean augmenting the layered structure of the new species
cerebral cortex. It took some time, but it says that they created a large enough cortex
to allow the species to grasp advanced language skills, higher mathematics and the
many sciences.

Once they accomplished this, the new species proved far more capable and even
formidable as a counterpart than they had envisioned. But still the Austra Albus was
mostly revered by all the generations of those who they had created.

The earlier created “imperfect generations” died off; as they were never allowed interbreeding
with any later generations. And this resulted in the perfected version that
they had hoped for. This later newest hybrid species they created is the modern
humans; us.

Two things occurred. One group was used for marinating the Austra Albus lineage and
subsequent ruling castes. The other group simply became a servant caste; and this is
who we represent today. The others are the Illuminati.

How are we using all of this information? And why are we, and even government
allowing someone to control them?

Okay, good question. Let me put in a way that might make sense…
I learned that right now, in Dulce, some of our research geneticists are trying to discover
the remains of one of the Scimitor Grey sub-species. This is what my intelligence
channel has told me and just one of the many reasons why I am talking to you now.
Imagine if such a group were to ever surface using Grey technology, and possessing the
intellectual capacity of Greys. I hate to think of the outcome. It wouldn’t be good for
us.

The dark element of Dulce is attempting to gain a complete picture of the Grey Scimitor
sub-species’ genetic code (if they can obtain it) to experiment with sequencing their
DNA for these damned Ultimate Soldier programs they are conducting.

This is the kind of work they are really interested in, and are now performing…
Massive modified testosterone and steroidal injections, coupled with Extracellular
matrix for rapid healing; Genetic Brain Reconstruction of the Frontotemporal Lobes for
rapid recall and super fast mind calculations; Deep Brain Stimulation to allow selective
brain areas to be turned on or off allowing higher focus and greater brain utilization;
Brain Plasticity to allow the brain the ability to grow and adapt … even Neurogenesis, to
grow new cells.

And who do you think they are testing this on … volunteer soldiers? No! It is innocent
humans; unwilling participants in their game of playing God. That’s right; I’ve already
told you, and this is why are also abducting people now. MILABS; read up on it.
But what is sick, is that we learned this from the Greys. We didn’t invent this. And now
we accept this as a regular practice for the advancement of the military and our
“protection”; but protection from whom? God dammed it. That was always the big
problem, there was never an enemy that justified such paranoia and validation for this
disturbed work we are now involved in.

But now; today, we have a firmly established enemy who is perfect for use towards
propagating this charade; terrorists. So now this work will never cease to receive
funding, and the experimentation may never end. High powered individuals from
various administrations have been apart of this effort since the 1970’s, as have many
others in our government who partake in the windfall of dollars created through
contracting under this black umbrella of secrecy.

If you are like everyone else, you think in terms of a bi-partisan establishment, but guess
what? There is no bi-partisan establishment, there is only one, and they are controlled
through the highest of orders dating back to the very beginnings of our earliest
civilizations. The writings found throughout the caverns tell us this.

The Austra Albus have successfully infiltrated human ranks by becoming human. So you
see? With this integration of both of our genomes, they have attained what they have
always wanted; the perfect subservient compatible sub-group. While they, the
Illuminati, rule.

Colonel, where are all these tablets now; the metal sheets? Who owns the today?

Everything is deep in a vault beneath Wright Patterson Air Force Base; stored away
permanently. The nature of studying the Greys and their history was concluded during
the 1980’s and the materials have been sealed permanently; forever. An unknown
shadow arm of the United States government owns them. This group owns the
oversight of all artifacts in the underground warehouse “The Vault” at Wright Patterson
and the last person to see and work on them was an Assyrian archeologist named [97]
Taha Baqir who helped our Linguists and Computer Scientists decipher some of the last
remaining algorithmic sequences found on the Grey tablets that were unlike any of the
others ever seen before; in the sense that they contained, seemingly, the key to both
inter-dimensional portals and time travel.

And then the tablets were sealed?

Yes. I don’t think they will emerge from “The Vault” unless some other major discovery
is made necessitating their use. Never count that out. As we make discoveries and as
technology emerges that we do not understand, individuals will require access to the
tablets and I know that they’ll potentially resurface.

Colonel, there are many who have studied Deep Underground tunnels, i.e. Dr.
Richard Sauder, Mr. Dennis Balthaser, and Mr. Norio Hayakawa, among others.
When we first spoke by phone you said that you’ve reached out over the years to
various people regarding Dulce. I’m curious, do you know Norio Hayakawa, and did
you ever meet him or the others?

I do not know him personally, but I know a lot about him, as I do any person whose
name comes up in circles related to Dulce. This also means I know everything there is to
know about every author, blogger, researcher, lecturer, etc. with regards to Dulce. As
you already know, I go to everything related to Dulce. So yes, as I mentioned before … I
was at the Dulce Conference he (Norio) organized in 2009 as well. As for the others, I
know of them but I have never met them. Although I did listen to Balthaser speak in
Dulce.

Was the helicopter at the event from DSD-3?

Yes. I was near a parking lot close to the Best Western Jicarilla Inn at 5:50 AM, sitting
with my wife, drinking my coffee when they flew directly over the building. There were
two helicopters, not one. One stayed around longer, hovering over the building. The
other circled the area then scanned some vehicles, including us before leaving. And you
better believe there was a military presence there. I can confirm that there were two
AFOSI investigators sitting there in the audience, who I personally recognized. In
addition to them, there were several recognizable LANL scientists.

What about John Lear; I have to ask about Mr. Lear because of involvement in recent
revelations about Dulce?

I really can't comment on John.

But why not, John Lear has been heavily involved in discussions on Dulce for years?
Well, because I knew John a long time ago; and I feel bad that he got swept up in the lies
behind the Castello story. John is innocent in all of this.

You really knew John Lear?

Yes, but I am not going to elaborate on the details of our relationship, other than it
occurred during my days working on Type-X events for the CIA; that’s when we met. He
was a pilot conducting CIA business, and I’ll leave it at that.

Listen … John is good American and was a hell of a pilot, and today he is serious
researcher whose only fault is that sometimes he trusts data from those who would
fabricate certain elements about matters … like Dulce.

He’s was there in Dulce in 1987, and he met with many of the principals from the
primary group of researchers and stake holders, those involved; people with historical
ties relating to the whole investigations that took place over the years. So I just cannot
fault him whatsoever, especially seeing as how he nearly killed himself almost driving off
the road and into the canyon when he was there. I read this in message board
somewhere. That just makes me laugh my ass off when I think about it. Personally, I
don’t know why the heck he didn’t just fly a plane over the Mesa plateau?

In any event, what I will tell you about John is this… He knows more than anyone could
imagine. And that’s coming from my own intelligence channel, including our mutual
friend and many others who have access to the classified government data repositories
we work from; CIA, NSA, you get the picture. And John might even have access to MJ-12
documents no one else has ever seen outside the Majestic periphery. And that’s how
important John is.

Am I saying his information Dulce is accurate? My answer is emphatically no; however,
his assumption that something is there is 100% accurate. He simply fell into the falsities
behind the Castello story. That is not his fault.

Right now John is focused on the Moon. Why do you think that is?

Because he knows that there is a base on the far side and even buildings and supporting
infrastructure visible on the near side which was all created by the Greys a long time
ago. All of it abandoned when the species began to weaken, to the point of barely being
able to leave the caverns. That’s why there is no activity but ample evidence of their
having once been there. It’s up to us now, if we really want to get our hands on this
legacy left behind.

I believe that the technology that is on the moon surpasses the level of technology we
receive from the Greys today. My understanding is that there were Greys who chose to
stay there operating the bases on the moon but that they died over time due to a lack of
life sustaining resources.

In my heart, I know that’s why John is looking to the moon so damned much. My NASA
insider tells me that John unknowingly is an acquaintance of someone ‘very important’
who I also happen to know. This is someone so important that if he were to leave us,
our whole intelligence channel would be immediately affected and at a loss of pretty
important network outside of our reach.

This person is the last remaining member of COM-12 and the most important provider
of our Moon and Mars intelligence. And that’s why he (John) is putting all his chips in
and betting on the moon as our next endeavor. Why, because he knows it is.
Try to remember what I told you earlier; Project Horizon was not a feasibility study
about us possibly living and working on the moon. It was a plan devised to recover
abandoned Grey technology on bases already there. I know that within time at least one
of our astronauts will disclose what they saw; Grey bases on the moon. And remember,
Corso had direct involvement with Project Horizon.

So whatever you do, don’t believe the current NASA administration. Our focus is not
Mars… it is in fact the Moon. The evidence is there. Why do you think that we never
point our satellites equipped with advanced photographic means at the moon? We can
take a picture of a daily headline on a newspaper in Tokyo from Low Earth Orbit, but in
30 plus years, no high resolution images of the moon exist. And there are no high-def
pictures of the far or near side either.

And the same goes for Mars. Buzz Aldrin who was the Lunar Module pilot on Apollo
11, the first manned lunar landing in history, told the world live on C-SPAN that a
monolith exists on the moon. Do you think he was crazy? Hell no! He knows damned
will that there are unexplained mysteries that exist in our universe, our own back yard
that are not natural and were created and placed in plain view for us to one day
discover.

If you recall, recently they cancelled all plans to go to the moon. Well, now you know
why. We cannot provoke others in to exploring the moon. If we stay away and show no
interest, they’ll reciprocate. But the minute we begin showing interest, they too will
begin to explore the moon and we simply cannot risk it. Imagine if an enemy state were
to acquire the level of technology, possibly a more advanced level, than we now
possess? This would be catastrophic and displace the level of order in the Geo-political
spectrum.

The evidence is there if you look. You can gain access to NASA Technical Report R-
277 which proves it. There is evidence that our astronauts observed and listened to
sounds coming from one of the Grey bases on the moon, if not multiple bases. There
are many ancient Grey artifacts to be discovered there. Gary McKinnon opened a can of
worms and validated the claims from people like Karl Wolf, Carol Rosin among others.
The evidence is there and I am telling you, it is real … all of it.

Who or what is COM-12, you’ve only just mentioned it?

COM-12 was a group centered on “Naval Intelligence” that operated as a counterintelligence
agency with its own agents who serviced as liaisons between various private
sector entities with positions of power within media, government, and even academia.
But primarily COM-12 worked against the powers-that-be from malevolent
organizations which they recognized and sniffed out from within the U.S. government,
especially shadow groups operating at places like Dulce, Area 51, and the Pentagon; the
primary group being AQUARIUS a secret subset from within Majestic-12. Both of these
groups are under the control of the Illuminati, believe it. The powers at the top of every
western democratic nation are somehow related to the ancient Austra Albus lineages,
either through genetics or by placement.

But in essence, what COM-12 tries to accomplish is to sustain a rearguard action
preserving constitutional government whereby they are deliberately leaking information
which is damaging against the powers-that-be within the aforementioned organizations.
It should be noted that DSD-3 from the very beginning had a special counterintelligence
team to ensure groups like COM-12 never broke the Dulce story.

Today there is one remaining member of COM-12 today whose identity is so secretive
that I have only ever heard their voice once; and this was over a decade ago. But this
person provides our mutual friend and me with enough intelligence to remain ahead of
the game. There are others within our own channels, and together we pool varying
resources like this last remaining individual from COM-12 to keep abreast of all relevant
matters. Trusting this person took years to accomplish, and only through the data they
provided plus after much verification did we finally realize that they were legitimate.

From the 1980s COM-12 was killed off one-by-one over the years, and I am afraid that
this lone person is the last remnant of the group. COM-12 was the only group fighting
interests from the Illuminati. All of this goes back to when Dissident Greys began openly
fighting the Austra Albus (the Illuminati). These two groups have been at each other for
centuries and the game is very deadly. For siding with the Dissident Greys, COM-12 has
paid a heavy price.

And as I said, this lone remaining agent, now in his 70s, is it. Once he is gone, COM-12
will cease to exist. Our only hope is that he reveals a repository of his data before his
demise.

Have you ever met Trinity in person?

No.

(Trinity is the ‘mutual friend’ who the Colonel so often mentions throughout the
interview. For some reason he is even reluctant to even call him by his code name;
Trinity.)

Did you know William Cooper?

Yes. But he had no involvement with Dulce other than knowing; actually … I should say
“having” some strong opinions on the Shadow Government. He did know a lot about
many things, important things; but his switch from the Truth to the “Periphery of
Paranoia” killed his credibility; UFO disease. Ask John Lear about it. He coined the
phrase and he can tell you how, no … “he can prove” how Cooper began to become
overly engrossed within his own tales because of pressure to perform when he had
already proven enough. But he went off the deep end.

[-Vod-]

I hate to ask you this, again … but what do you know of the individuals who initially
wrote about Dulce, specifically about Castello and the 1979 battle? Did you ever meet
any of them?

No. But they have a real captivating Reptilian story about Dulce, if that is what you are
interested in. And the folks at both the AFOSI and DSD-3 like them, essentially anyone
who perpetuates the Castello story.

You see, individuals who can create unrealistic, or fantastic stories about Dulce are
exactly who the new DSD-3 and AFOSI want. I’m not saying it’s a disinformation
campaign on their part; they may believe what they believe, but it helps AFOSI dismiss
claims rather easily. And if the powers-that-be are in league with the Shadow
Government, then they now have free reign to do as they please. Simply as a direct
result of these other stories.

What bothers me about these other people is that they may really believe what they
share. But everything they tell the world about Dulce is utterly wrong and it promotes
an agenda that empowers the wrong side; the bad side.

In 1999 on the Art Bell show, “Somewhere in Time” I recall listening to a psychic named
Joseph DeLouise who stated that sometimes people (who fall asleep during the show)
will have dreams of aliens and UFOs or many types of related subjects, (because they
are listening to the show in their sleep) which unfortunately during the dream state they
cannot intellectualize or even rationalize.

However, much later during full consciousness they may recall one of those events from
their dreams, like abduction, UFO sightings, or dealings with Reptilians; a topic often
mentioned on the show. DeLouise commented that many of the millions of listeners
who regularly fall asleep during the late night show can still hear the discussed subject
matter, incorporating that into their dreams.

I often felt that these individuals, who have been disseminating Reptilians in relation to
Dulce, may have been listening to “Somewhere in Time” with Art Bell. Hell they might
even be listening to Larry King … essentially anyone who covers the UFO and
extraterrestrial subject matter. Whatever the case, I can tell you this; Thomas Edwin
Castello “never existed”.

What does exist is a massive facility discovered in 1940 by the Muroc Expedition which
has since been augmented and holds a small community of Greys who work with us, and
sometimes against us. Look, I am not saying there are no such things as Reptilians.
Simply because I’ve seen some strange things to make me believe that the impossible is
quite possible! Do they exist? I do not know. But, are they in Dulce? The answer is
emphatically, no.

Okay then, this brings me to one very important question. If the Greys have space
craft and if they are seemingly so advanced technologically, why don’t they just leave
Earth for some other planet that better suits them? You said they used to go to the
moon?

Anthony, where are they going to go? As a matter of fact, let me put it to you this way…
“They have no where to go.” And quite frankly, they could never survive a trip to any
suitable planetary system like our own. If you account for their small numbers,
declining state of health, etc. the answer is they simply cannot leave.

The Greys were created here on Earth, and as such they were not designed for longterm
space travel. But by default the Anu and Austra Albus who were literal copies of
the Progenitors, sans the ability to live longer within Earths atmosphere, could travel on
long space Journeys.

But the Greys, their society, as small as it now is, are too ingrained and embedded
within the caverns beneath Dulce. That is their home. The genetic work they do now is
not so that they can leave; rather, it is so that they can surface. Working with us, is in
their benefit. So they do; and we use them. We are in control, or more to point … the
powers-that-be are. And as for the moon, they have no interest in going back. But we
do.

Colonel, you know that people are going to say you are not telling the truth. How do
you respond to that?

First, you now have my full identity, which I hope you will redact appropriately when
you release this data. Secondly, just ask several former area ranchers about the
entrance to the base. They’ve seen it and so have dozens of Jicarilla Apache people.
The base has an entrance and has been found many times, and it will be found again
and again.

Ask the people who have seen the football-field sized silver metallic craft hovering over
the Mesa. Ask the people who have been abducted by both Greys and Military within
the four corners area. Ask those who have been followed or harassed by the Black
Helicopters; do you think these things just appear out of thin air?

In August 2002 the entrance was found by a University of New Mexico scientific
research team camping off the Mesa plateau near the base of the Eastern Slope. They
were conducting astronomical experiments while viewing the Perseid meteor showers.
A few of them had wondered off to investigate strange colored lights from an area east
of their camp. They were intercepted near the entrance, and they were instructed to
tell no one about what they found, and ordered to leave, and nothing has ever come
about the incident. People have found it. Need proof? Find these kids and ask them if
it’s real; that is if they’ll even talk now.

Look, you have my DD-214 of which there is an important clue for you and everyone
else to ponder over; and you won’t find many other discharge papers like mine. And
I’ve taken your polygraph tests and I have given you my story. Also you know Trinity
and what his background is, so just think of the circles he keeps and how he and I may
have encountered one another. Remember, I asked (him) to get me in contact with
(you).

After I learned of the Malevolent Organizations (the Dark element) which had taken
over Dulce, my hope was for an eventual full disclosure by 2000, but that did not
happen. And now my instinct says it may never happen based on the intelligence I am
receiving … unless I tell my story.

It is now 2010 and nothing has ever come forth about Dulce except for the
disinformation seen over the years from those who have never been to Dulce, never
worked at Dulce and who created this sophistical and inconsistent pool of data which
does nothing but create disinformation for the dark element who use it. The details
they provide contradict the truth. And their stories provide the bad element within
AFOSI and DSD-3 the means to cover up atrocities against innocent people and the New
Mexico environment that people rely upon to live. Like the water, the soil, the cattle, I
can go on.

And I don’t want to end up dead like Phil Schneider, so this is all that I am capable of
giving; short of putting my entire family in danger … which I will not do. And to anyone
who would wish me to identify myself and bring attention to those that I love just to
satisfy their skepticism, well they can go to hell.

I am sorry, but this is the end of the interview.

Colonel, thank you for your time.

[Diouf]

Quelle tartine tu nous as mise !   

J'ai commencé, c'est passionnant, première fois qu'on a tant de détails... Merci Vod 

[tailstrike]

Passionant en tout cas ! Je fais chauffer le traducteur ! 

[-Vod-]

Oui, je l'avais lu d'un traite et j'ai vraiment trouvé ça passionnant à lire, d'ailleurs je n'ai pas été très productif au boulot ce jour là 

[ararauna]

Merci VOD!! j'ai fort apprécié ce texte!! dommage je maîtrise mal l'anglais et certains détails m'ont échappé..Mais dans l'ensemble cela semble "réaliste" Et si c'était vrai??!! en tout cas bien qu'invérifiable cela se tient!
Excellent!! merci encore!

[ararauna]

Passionant en tout cas ! Je fais chauffer le traducteur ! 

Dommage que le traducteur de Google "plante" à la moitié du récit.. qui se sent assez courageux pour faire une traduction

[garf]

Passionant en tout cas ! Je fais chauffer le traducteur ! 

Dommage que le traducteur de Google "plante" à la moitié du récit.. qui se sent assez courageux pour faire une traduction

Découpe le texte par bouts et recolle le sur un traitement de texte.

Voila . Voili.