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[Michel-Vallée]

UFO/ET Non-Disclosure National Security Threats

un article de Ed Komarek, paru le 10 juillet sur "American Chronicle" : http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/109633

[Nemo492]

Traduit ici :

http://ovnis-usa.com/2009/07/12/dimanche-12-juillet/

[lcarl]

Excellentissime article de Mr KOMAREK. Son analyse sur la vision courtermiste des tenants du secret est tres interessante. Mais en meme temps cette vision est inherante a la volonte des politique d'etre reelu et de refiler la patate chaude au suivant, et a l'utilisation abusive du secret defense qui est un devenu un outil anti-democratique.
Je vais essayer de discuter avec Mr KOMAREK et je vous ferais un retour.
Les articles sont de plus en plus qualitatifs au fil des jours et les activistes d'exopolitiques sont en train de secouer tres fort le cocotier du silence.
Mais la conjuration des imbeciles veille.
A suivre.

[Michel-Vallée]

Trust Busting the Alien Resource Corporate Cartel

un article de Ed Komarek pour "Ufo Digest", le 3 août 2009: http://www.ufodigest.com/news/0809/corporate-cartel.php?utm_medium=email&utm_source=Savicom&utm_campaign=UFO%20Digest%20Newsletter%20August%206%2C%202009&utm_term=More...

[dificultnspa]

ufodigest.com

Physics UFO Research


by Ed Komarek

Posted: 15:30 August 31, 2009

I recently asked theoretical physicist Dr. Jack Sarfatti http://www.stardrive.org/ for suggestions as to how Ray Stanford might get his excellent scientific research on Anomalous Aerial Objects published in academic peer reviewed publications.
exopolitics.blogspot.com

Jack's response was forthright and to the point. Jack said, " No mainstream physics journal will accept a UFO article. It's too non-PC. Taboo topic in mainstream academia. That's a fact. He should put his data on the WEB and be done with it. It ain't gonna happen. Tell him not to waste his time and simply put all out there and hope for the best."

More email conversations ensued and Jack elaborates, " The fact is that Ray, who has no academic credentials in physics, will not be able to publish a paper in any major physics trade journal. For example, Physical Review has an explicit policy forbidding any such topic that was triggered by Henry Stapp's very good paper on Retro-PK. All such fringe topics are verboten in mainstream physics. That's the way it is. With special effects no one will believe any videos and they are not acceptable in physics journals."

Jack continues, "Look, I have no opinion one way or the other on the value of Ray's work. The fact is he will not be able to publish it in a serious mainstream physics journal. He may be able to publish it in JBIS. I know who he is from Sirag. In fact Sirag mentions Ray in my book Destiny Matrix."

Jack responds to some comments made by Michael Horn publicizing Billy Meir. "Physicists in their professional capacity don't care about any of this. Also it's simply hearsay of no scientific interest. He said. She said etc. The sort of stuff you and Ray talk about is not the proper concern of physicists. It is essentially police/intelligence detective work. The methodology is totally different. Read George Knapp's Skin-walker book about Bigelow's Utah Ranch. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skinwalker_Ranch

Jack continues. "Only those physicists with independent means can afford to show a public interest in UFOs, paranormal and other fringe topics. Otherwise, with rare exceptions, they are out of a job in academia. The only exception are military physicists in black projects or projects funded by private money like Bob Bigelow's. Physicists only care about equations and experiments. All of this is totally "alien" to them and their concerns. Trying to publish this sort of stuff in a physics journal is a complete dead end. Wrong venue. JBIS is probably Ray's best shot. PS Even consciousness is non-PC as the history of Stapp's retro-PK paper in Phys Rev A proved."

This prompted a response by Optical Physicist Dr. Bruce Maccabee, "Jack speaks the truth regarding publication in a refereed science journal. However, in one case my attempt to publish was not a "complete dead end." In 1974 I sent an article on a UFO sighting to SCIENCE magazine. It was rejected. I had better luck 5 years later. In August, 1979, Applied Optics published my letter to the editor regarding my calculation of the brightness (power output) of an unidentified light source that was seen and detected on radar and filmed off the coast of the South Island of New Zealand during the early morning hours of Dec.31, 1978. This was the first of three letters to the editor that were published on the NZ sighting. So far as I know, after 30 years those three letters are still the only articles in a physics journal that discuss a UFO sighting. For the articles and the somewhat convoluted story of how they happened to be published, see (especially the footnote) www.brumac.8k.com/NEW_ZEALAND/NZSB.html

Bruce continues, "Years ago I presented 15 minute UFO talks at the Washington, DC symposia of the American Physical Society. The abstracts of these talks were published in the Bulletin of the APS. They were not refereed. That was in the good old days when they had a section on "cosmology" . In recent years there has been no section into which one might insert a discussion of a UFO sighting."

Michael Horn brings up Froning in relation to Billy Meir in another email and Jack responds. "Froning is not a mainstream academic physicist who publishes in serious trade journals. Astronautical engineers are not considered physicists by top-rank physicists. JBIS is not a physics journal. JBIS would be more suitable for Ray. This shows that you have no idea how the mainstream professional physics community works. It's all connected with USG and major foundation funding. UFOs, paranormal is a kiss of death for academic physicists in prestige universities and institutes like Kavli - they will not touch it with a ten foot pole. All serious funding of this is deep black hidden behind the event horizon so to speak - for obvious military hardware reasons."

Physicist Dr. Paul Murad www.starpod.org www.trinitas.ru enters the fray and says, "Jack: Unbeknownst to you and your physicist friends is that Froning is a very credible and talented individual. He has more hands on experience to include building flying hardware than a majority of the physicists that have worked for many decades. He published many papers on exotic technologies in accepted engineering forums...

This elicits this response from Jack. "You misunderstand my point again Paul. This has nothing to do with Froning's abilities. Froning has no influence with the editors of mainstream physics journals. He could not publish a paper in Phys Rev on anecdotal evidence about UFOs - not even Hawking could even if he were so inclined. It's off-topic to mainstream academic physics. It ain't gonna happen ever not even if Hell freezes over. Nuff said. ;-)"

These email exchanges between the above physicists in relation to getting UFO data published in peer reviewed academic physics and aeronautical journals sounds eerily similar to the state of Fire Ecology research in the first half of the 20th century. Like Ray Stanford my father Ed Komarek Sr. was a non-academic scientist, not by choice, but by circumstance. Economic conditions after 1929 caused my grandfather to go bankrupt and my father had to quit college and go to work for the Field Museum of Chicago collecting mammals in the Southeastern United States.

While Dad was in college he was mentored by one of the founding fathers of Ecology Dr. Allee http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._C._Allee and they continued the relationship for the rest of their lives. Then Dad went to work for non-academic scientist Herb Stoddard in the 1930s www.foresthistory.org
another father of Ecology who was also a close friend of Aldo Leopold yet another father of Ecology. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldo_Leopold Herb Stoddard introduced Dad to Fire Ecology and Dad became the most recognized and experienced Fire Ecologist of his time and was even recognized by Academia with a honorary PHD from FSU for his lifetime of scientific research and accomplishments.

As my fathers interest in Fire Ecology developed he began to run into politically motivated roadblocks to publication in academic science publications on fire from both the U.S Forest Service's Smokey the Bear anti-fire propaganda campaign, and from associated academia who would not publish fire papers in their peer reviewed journals for political reasons just as is now happening with UFOs. There was no scientific basis for the U.S. Forest Service position that was based more on fear of fire than anything else.

Dad and his scientific associates both academic and non-academic decided to organize a end run around academia and government to get support for fire research and publication of fire research papers. Dad organized Tall Timbers Research Inc that held annual Fire Conferences in which scientific papers were presented by pro-fire mavericks from around the world. The research station also published these papers in its annual proceedings and the proceedings were widely distributed free of charge at least in the early days. http://www.talltimbers.org/

In fact I think that it was the first fire conference that my father organized and the free publication and distribution of the proceedings that really put Tall Timbers and fire research on the map politically and academically. I believe the institution organized itself around these early fire conferences. The first fire conference was the spark that ignited the institution. A UFO physics institution might well do the same thing.

Tall Timbers became the international leading light in fire research and undermined the U.S. Forest Service's unfounded scientific position and forced academia to recognize the importance of fire in the natural environment and begin publishing fire scientific papers in peer reviewed journals. Dad's tactic worked eventually and now fire and controlled fire are accepted all around the world both by governments, national parks and forests and the private sector. Academics no more own science than the priesthood owns religion and my father and his associates proved that.

So my question is why can't a few courageous independent physicists and UFO private financial backers band together and do for UFO physics what my father and his associates did for fire research? Why can't we create a Physics UFO Research and Development Inc. that is independent of academia, the CIA and other government political influence to promote good UFO physics science? Such a organization could then provide the needed support for both academic and non-academic scientists doing good scientific research into UFOs. With such support both non-academic scientist Ray Stanford and academic scientist Dr. Bruce Maccabee can publish their UFO physics research in a credible and responsible venue.

I sent this article as a rough draft to Jack and he responded to this question. Jack said, "Fine, answer to your last question is that it has been done by Bob Bigelow and Joe Firmage. Bigelow succeeded, Firmage failed. In the current world financial crisis the probability for what you want to happen is exactly zero in my opinion.

Bigelow Aerospace in Las Vegas is the only show in town for American UFO/paranormal R&D. I understand there is a quasi-governmental French group but it's only a rumor. The only thing that will change this is a mass landing like in the films "District 9", "Independence Day" or "War of the Worlds" - otherwise it's all just hype in the media with a small group of competent scientists working on the serious issues."

Jack could be right but I think all it would really take would be a physicist or donor who was a good organizer, manager, credible and highly motivated to do the same thing my father did for Fire Ecology. If it had not been for my father, Tall Timbers would have never happened and for the same reasons Jack has suggested. Fire research would have been continued to be politically suppressed for at least another 30-50 years.

My reasoning for is that the opposition to anti-fire Forest Service propaganda was fragmented and weak and the Forest Service itself politically strong and well funded with a firm hold on academia. Only a person like my father would be competent and dedicated enough to pull together the small group of independent physics mavericks and donors into a viable institution. Absent such a person I would have to agree with Jack. However, one should not underestimate the power of one or several very committed organized individuals as has been proved throughout history.

Originally published: exopolitics.blogspot.com/2009/08/physics-ufo-research.html

[Nemo492]

La Divulgation est-elle Imminente ?
Ed Komarek - 30 octobre 09
http://exopolitics.blogspot.com/
 
"Je suis en communication avec une personne qui prétend avoir des liens étroits avec un membre du Congrès, très informé du phénomène Ovni. J'entretiens cet échange parce que je pense que nous devons contribuer à développer un consensus assez large avec les hommes politiques des deux bords sur les aspects exopolitiques, à mesure que progresse la divulgation. Mon contact souhaite pour l'instant rester anonyme, afin de préserver ses autres activités d'ordre politique.

Au téléphone et par email cette personne m'a précisé que ce membre du Congrès rencontre fréquemment le Président Obama. Elle m'a demandé comment ce Représentant pourrait se rendre utile, pour nous aider à faire progresser la divulgation. Je lui ai envoyé cet autre texte dans lequel j'explique comment la gauche et la droite peuvent trouver un terrain d'entente.

La nuit dernière, j'ai eu une autre conversation téléphonique avec ma source, et elle m'a confirmé que la divulgation annoncée par le Dr. Michael Salla était effectivement prôche. Selon elle, le gouvernement craint que l'annonce de la divulgation, si elle intervient trop rapidement, puisse torpiller la nouvelle loi sur les soins médicaux et risque de distraire l'attention du public sur cette question.

Elle a ajouté que la communauté ufologique doit se rendre compte qu'en raison de mesures de sécurité draconiennes, les courriers et les documents destinés aux membres du Congrès doivent être adressés au siège de leurs circonscriptions, et pas à leurs bureaux de Washington où ils ont peu de chances d'arriver.
 
La rivalité politique pour détenir les postes clés me fait souvenir d'un comportement typique des troupeaux. En Afrique, quand une horde de bêtes sauvages arrive au bord d'une rivière infestée de crocodiles, les meneurs s'immobilisent sur la rive. La pression du troupeau va les pousser à sauter. Après quoi ces meneurs vont se dépêcher de traverser et d'atteindre le côté opposé, aussi vite que possible, et le troupeau s'empressera derrière eux. :-)
 
Je peux citer cinq autres initiatives qui vont actuellement dans le sens de la divulgation : 1. Le Disclosure Project de Steven Greer,  http://www.disclosureproject.org/ 2. Le groupe de Clay & Shawn Pickering et leur source militaire, http://exopolitics.blogspot.com/2009/03/naval-officer-source.html 3. Le PRG de Steven Bassett, http://www.paradigmresearchgroup.org/ExopoliticsWorld.htm 4. L'opération menée par Dan Smith auprès de ses contacts à la CIA, 5. Le Project RAM de Gordon Novel.
 
De tout ce que je peux entendre ici et là, il me semble que nous assistons à des développements positifs en faveur d'une divulgation prochaine, qui implique le Président Obama, le Congrès, ou les Nations-Unies. http://www.examiner.com/x-2383-Honolulu-Exopolitics-Examiner~y2009m10d21-Official-disclosure-of-extraterrestrial-life-is-imminent#

Je n'ai rien à redire des vues exprimées par Michael Salla, mais je pensais qu'il pêchait peut-être par un excès d'optimisme. Mon nouveau contact aurait tendance à balayer mes réticences. Il se passe en coulisses des quantités de choses que nous ignorons, et de nouvelles sources viennent conforter les positions de Michael et Greer.
 
Je peux me tromper, mais il me semble que les principales réticences tiennent au fait personne ne souhaite porter la responsabilité d'avoir allumé la mèche faisant éclater la vérité, ce qui pourrait rapidement échapper à tout contrôle, du gouvernement et de la CIA, en commençant par les Etats-Unis pour s'étendre dans le reste du monde. Steven Greer et le Disclosure Project ont accompli un autre geste significatif en fournissant un brieffing pour le Président Obama. http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-2912-Seattle-Exopolitics-Examiner~y2009m10d24-Obama-and-G7-Head-of-State-given-UFOET-briefing-documents-as-disclosure-information-war-escalates
 
Il se pourrait bien effet que la situation devienne incontrôlable une fois le processus amorcé. Les responsables gouvernementaux et les bureaucrates devront alors s'impliquer ouvertement afin de maintenir l'ordre et la stabilité sociale. Quand le lapin sera sorti du chapeau, les gouvernements mondiaux n'auront pas vraiment d'autre choix que de divulguer rapidement. En outre, divers groupes d'extraterrestres pourraient perdre patience en constatant l'intransigeance du gouvernement et les promesses non tenues depuis 60 ans. Ils semblent exercer une pression croissante jusqu'au point de rupture.

Il nous paraît aussi que les extraterrestres et les terriens s'accordent à trouver préférable que l'humanité gère le processus de la divulgation, même si ça doit passer par une augmentation de la pression des extraterrestres sur les gouvernements. Les groupes extraterrestres multiplient les démonstrations publiques, ce qui est une manière d'encourager les autorités mondiales.

Je pense que les politiciens et les bureaucrates vont avoir besoin de s'appuyer sur la demande des citoyens. C'est à nous de pousser nos leaders à franchir le Rubicon, pour parvenir à la divulgation. Il n'y a rien à perdre en allumant la mêche, pour faire éclater la vérité. Nous n'avons pas une carrière politique à préserver, et il ne peut être question de poursuivre sur la voie qui mène à l'autodestruction.

Il se peut que les gouvernements tentent de temporiser et de réguler le processus, mais leur crédibilité sur cette question sera gravement compromise au point qu'ils ne pourront assurer les conséquences de la divulgation. Cependant, des politiciens de haut niveau ont commencé à prendre position, dans plusieurs pays, et ne craignent pas d'engager leur réputation en réclamant la divulgation. Le plus récent est le Conseiller Adrian Hicks. http://www.councillorhicks.co.uk/
Cet homme politique britannique a raconté sa rencontre avec un extraterrestre, qui a duré neuf minutes dans la rue principale.

Déjà le Sénateur McCain et Dennis Kucinich http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2007/10/31/rep-dennis-kucinich-acknowledges-ufo-sighting/ [modération : page non trouvée] se sont courageusement exprimés devant la presse sur le thème des Ovnis. Nous présumons que ces hommes politiques en savent davantage qu'ils ne le reconnaissent, et pourraient même faire partie de ceux qui font pression sur le Congrès.
 
Les gouvernements pourraient bien être contraints de faire confiance à leurs peuples pour s'auto-réguler et donc permettre au public de les décharger de leur responsabilité sur ces affaires, ainsi que dans d'autres domaines où les dirigeants et les élites leur avaient dénié l'accès. Au fond, ce ne sont pas les populations qui nous ont mené dans cette situation entropique, mais il incombe maintenant aux citoyens de réparer les dégâts après la divulgation.

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[Belzian]

il as raison sur le fait que  c'est a la population de faire bouger les choses par des actions comme le font Greer, Salla et bien d'autres ..
Par contre un truc m'echappe, quel est le rapport entre la divulgation et cette loi sur la santé ? pourquoi parler de cela ?

[Nemo492]

Parce que c'est un gros truc que Obama doit terminer
avant de passer à autre chose ?

[dificultnspa]

Merci Nemo pour le travail de traduction.

 

[Belzian]

ah .. merci de m'eclairer, je ne le voyait pas sous cet angle. le probleme de cette loi c'est qu'elle n'est pas aimée de beaucoup de gens, ce qui risque de faire reculer l'echeance si bien sur on reste sur l'optique de cette loi a finir avant de passer a autre chose.

[Nemo492]

L'anarchie la plus totale.

Je note que anarchie est encore utilisé à mauvais escient.
Ce n'est pas du tout synonyme de chaos.
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchie

[wipe]

le chaos on y court de toute maniere alors le choc d'une rencontre avec des extras , qui pour toi amenera le chaos , pourra peut etre annuler l'effet d'autodestruction 

[Nemo492]

Ed Komarek, en réponse à mon email sur ses garanties :

"I feel pretty comfortable about this person having had many phone conversations. I don't usually publish unless I feel pretty comfortable with the person.

This person has shared a lot of confidential information with me that I can't publish. I had a devil of a time just getting that little part published.  Ed"



"Je me sens parfaitement à l'aise au sujet de cette personne, parce que j'ai eu de nombreux échanges téléphoniques avec elle. En général, je m'abstiens de publier quand ce n'est pas le cas.

Ce contact a partagé des quantités d'informations confidentielles que je ne suis pas autorisé à publier. J'ai eu un mal de chien à obtenir le feu vert pour publier le peu que tu as pu lire."

[phoebe1]

Merci Nemo.
Et vive l'anarchie ;-)

[zetareticuli]

En esperant que tout ne tombe pas a l'eau au dernier moment,comme d'hab...